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Originally Posted by : jollybee on 11-18-12 11:33 AM
unang una binasa mo ba ang post? hindi kame kagaya ng jehovas witneses paki basa ulit kung sinu yung tinawag na anghel na yun
magkaiba lang kayo ng interpretasyon ng jw pero si jesus at michael iisa parin sa turo nyo diba.

Iisa ba talaga sila? Oo o hindi lang ang sagot para malinaw
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magkaiba lang kayo ng interpretasyon ng jw pero si jesus at michael iisa parin sa turo nyo diba.

Iisa ba talaga sila? Oo o hindi lang ang sagot para malinaw

anu ba sabi sa post ko? kung sinu yung tinawag na "ANGHEL" na yun
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ang sagot ay hindi haha
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anu ba sabi sa post ko? kung sinu yung tinawag na "ANGHEL" na yun
ang linaw ng nakasulat angel of the lord..kaya hindi si kristo yun at hindi Diyos yun ginamit lang nya ang anghel nya.

gusto nyo talagang gawing Diyos ang anghel.

ano na sagot sa tanong ko iisa ba si arkanghel miguel at si hesus? oo o hindi
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1.) Sariling pagkaunawa ko lang, parang ang tinutukoy dito eh yung dapat walang pinipiling lahi, kahit sino pwede pangaralan. .

2.) Assuming, yun nga ang mga karumaldumal, ang tanong kumain ba siya? O kahit sinong apostol sa buong biblia?

3.) isa pa, kung nilinis nga yun, di ba hinatak muli sa langit yung sisidlan? Hindi naman binaba dito sa lupa..kaya ang malinis andun sa langit. .

Sariling sagot ko lang ito. . Ewan ko sa iba. . .

Mas paninindigan ko pa din ito. .

"Sapagka't sa pamamagitan ng apoy makikipagpunyagi ang Panginoon, at sa pamamagitan ng kaniyang tabak, sa lahat ng mga tao: at ang mapapatay ng Panginoon ay magiging marami. Silang nangagpapakabanal, at nangagpapakalinis na nagsisiparoon sa mga halamanan, sa likuran ng isa sa gitna, na nagsisikain ng laman ng baboy, at ng kasuklamsuklam, at ng daga; sila'y darating sa isang wakas na magkakasama, sabi ng Panginoon." (Isaiah 66:16-17).




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Originally Posted by : Niboresrun on 03-08-12 09:08 PM
KATULAD nito maliligaw ka kung di mo babasahin at uunawaing mabuti, PAKIUNAWANG MABUTI

Marcos 7:19 “Sapagka’t hindi pumapasok sa kaniyang puso, kundi sa kaniyang tiyan, at lumalabas sa dakong daanan ng dumi? Sa salitang ito’y nililinis niya ang lahat ng pagkain.”

Ito ang paboritong talata ng mga Kristianong nagsasabing pwede ng kainin ang mga ipinagbawal ng Dios noon. Ano ang
katotohanan sa likod ng mga paliwanag nila?

Ang mga Kristianong nagtataguyod na pwede
ng kainin ang mga pinagbawal noon ay sila
rin ang naniniwalang hindi sakop ang Kristiano sa pagbabawal na iyon ng Dios sa panahon ng Lumang Tipan.

Sagot #1:
Kung hindi sakop ang Kristiano sa pagbabawal
na iyon ng Dios ay bakit kelangang “linisin
pa” para sa mga Kristiano? Ano ang lilinisin para sa Kristiano samantalang hindi naman pala pinagbawalan ang mga Kristiano (ayon sa paliwanag nila)?

Sagot #2:
Ang mga katagang “Sa salitang ito’y
nililinis niya ang lahat ng pagkain” ay hindi
tamang pagdaragdag ng mga translators ng
Tagalog Ang Biblia. Sa King James Version ay
mababasa natin ang ganito: Mark 7:19 “Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?” KJV

Sa KJV ay makikitang “ ang pinatutunguhan ng pagkain (tiyan at bituka) ang syang tumutunaw (purge) sa mga kinain.” Wala dito ang pahayag na “Sa salitang ito’y
nililinis niya..“. Ito po ay idinagdag na lamang ng mga modern translators.

Sagot #3:
Sa Biblia po ay may ibang mga katawagan
para sa mga pagkain na dapat at sa mga itinuturing na pagkain ng tao ngunit mga
karumaldumal ayon sa Dios.

“akatharton” (Gk. ακαθαρτον) – foul,unclean, forbidden (Acts 11:8 )


“bromah” (Gk. βρῶμα) – allowed meat, clean, food (1 Corinthians 10:3)

Sa Mark 7:19, ang ginamit na salitang Griego ay βρῶμα (bromah) at hindi ακαθαρτον (akatharton).

Tingnan po nating muli kung ano ang implication nito sa talata. Mark 7:19 “Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all βρῶμα ?”
KJV Mark 7:19 “Because it entereth not into his
heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into
the draught, purging all clean food?” KJV

Tingnan naman po natin sa saling tagalog: Marcos 7:19 “Sapagka’t hindi pumapasok sa kaniyang puso, kundi sa kaniyang tiyan, at lumalabas sa dakong daanan ng dumi? Sa salitang ito’y nililinis niya ang lahat ng βρῶμα .

Marcos 7:19 “Sapagka’t hindi pumapasok sa kaniyang puso, kundi sa kaniyang tiyan, at lumalabas sa dakong daanan ng dumi? Sa salitang ito’y nililinis niya ang lahat ng pagkaing malinis.”

Nakita na po ba natin kung bakit mali ang idinagdag ng mga modern translators? Kaya ang tanong natin sa kanila ay "papaanong lilinisin ang isang pagkain na malinis na“? Isang katotohanan lamang ito na ang Marcos 7:19 ay kelan man hindi tumutukoy sa mga ipinagbabawal, kaya hindi maaring gamitin
para patunayan na nilinis na daw ng Dios ang mga ipinagbawal noon.

Sagot #4:
Kung susundan ang context ng Marcos 7:19 ay makikitang ang “pagkain” na tinutukoy ay tinapay! at hindi ang mga karne na pinagbabawal.

Marcos 7:2 “At kanilang nangakita ang ilan sa kaniyang mga alagad na nagsisikain ng kanilang TINAPAY ng mga kamay na marurumi, sa makatuwid baga’y mga kamay na hindi hinugasan.” Isa na namang patunay na ang pinag-uusapan sa Marcos 7:19 ay hindi ang mga karumaldumal na mababasa sa Leviticus 11 at Deuteronomy 14.

 Paano naging marumi ang malinis (na
tinapay)? Ayon sa Marcos 7:2 ay naging marumi ang tinapay dahil sa hindi paghugas ng kamay ng isang taong kakain nito. Ito po ay isa lamang sa mga alituntunin ng mga
Pariseo (Marcos 7:3-4).

Gusto nilang makapuntos kay Jesus at sa mga alagad. Kaya pinuna ng mga Pariseo ang mga alagad ng ang mga ito ay kumain ng hindi naghuhugas ng kamay. Ngunit itinuro ni Jesus na ang pagkain
(bromah) ay hindi makakahawa sa tao dahil hindi naman sa puso ang patutungahan nito, kundi papasok sa tiyan at doon tutunawin
(purge). Ito po mismo ang kahulugan ng
Marcos 7:19. Kung meron mang nilinis sa Marcos 7:19 ay ito iyong mga pagkain malinis-tinapay (bromah) ngunit nadumihan dahil sa hindi paghugas ng
kamay ayon sa mga alituntunin ng mga
Pariseo.

Huwag po nating kakalimutan na ang ating
unang mga magulang, sina Adan at Eba, ay
sinubok sa pamamagitan ng pagkain. Ang
ating Panginoon po ay sinubok sa
pamamagitan rin ng pagkain. Maaari kayang
ikaw ay sinusubok rin sa pamamagitan ng pagkain?

Sana ay huwag tayong mapabilang sa mga
taong ang dinodios ay ang tiyan:

Filipos 3:19 “Na ang kanilang kahihinatnan ay ang kapahamakan, na ang kanilang dios ay ang tiyan , at ang kanilang kapurihan ay nasa kanilang kahihiyan, na nagiisip ng mga bagay na ukol sa lupa”

Letra-por-letra pong naisulat sa Biblia na sa
pagdating ng paghuhukom, ang mga taong mahilig sa mga pinagbabawal na kainin ay pupugnawin sa pamamagitan ng apoy.

Isa 66:15-17 ”Sapagka’t, narito, ang Panginoon ay darating na may apoy, at ang kaniyang mga karo ay magiging parang
ipoipo; upang igawad ang kaniyang galit na
may kapusukan, at ang kaniyang saway na
may ningas ng apoy….. Silang nangagpapakabanal, at nangagpapakalinis na
nagsisiparoon sa mga halamanan, sa likuran
ng isa sa gitna, na nagsisikain ng laman ng baboy, at ng kasuklamsuklam, at ng daga ; sila’y darating sa isang wakas na magkakasama, sabi ng Panginoon.”

Kung hindi mo uunawain ang bible maliligaw ka talaga
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12-14-12 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by : thams15 on 11-27-12 04:27 PM
ang linaw ng nakasulat angel of the lord..kaya hindi si kristo yun at hindi Diyos yun ginamit lang nya ang anghel nya.

gusto nyo talagang gawing Diyos ang anghel.

ano na sagot sa tanong ko iisa ba si arkanghel miguel at si hesus? oo o hindi
pakibasa po nito, medyo mahaba yan kaya di ko macopy paste, di kaya sa cp.
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12-14-12 08:14 AM
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ang simple lang ng sagot sa tanong ko Oo o hindi lang. Bakit ayaw nyo sumagot ng diretso muna. Saka kayo magbigay ng pagkahaba habang link. Katamad basahin
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12-14-12 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by : thams15 on 12-14-12 08:14 AM
ang simple lang ng sagot sa tanong ko Oo o hindi lang. Bakit ayaw nyo sumagot ng diretso muna. Saka kayo magbigay ng pagkahaba habang link. Katamad basahin
naintindihan mo ba? Di mo nga pala binasa, pero sa tingin ko binasa mo. Sabi nga ang pagsagot sa tanung mo ay di makukuha sa isang talata lamang.

Ganito na lang bago ko sagutin ng oo or hindi ang tanung mo, sagutin mo rin ng oo or hindi ang tanung ko,
"NARARAPAT BANG MAGPATIRAPA AT SAMBAHIN Ang ISANG ANGHEL?
"OO" o "HINDI"
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12-14-12 01:24 PM
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huh? si michael at si Lord Jesus ay iisa base sa paniniwala po ng SDA?

totoo po ba nababasa ko?
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Originally Posted by : Dark_ANGELO on 12-14-12 12:56 PM
naintindihan mo ba? Di mo nga pala binasa, pero sa tingin ko binasa mo. Sabi nga ang pagsagot sa tanung mo ay di makukuha sa isang talata lamang.

Ganito na lang bago ko sagutin ng oo or hindi ang tanung mo, sagutin mo rin ng oo or hindi ang tanung ko,
"NARARAPAT BANG MAGPATIRAPA AT SAMBAHIN Ang ISANG ANGHEL?
"OO" o "HINDI"
ang sagot ko ay HINDI.
ang simple diba.

ano sagot nyo sa tanong ko OO o HINDI.
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12-14-12 03:23 PM
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ang sagot ko rin sa tanung mo ay OO,

pero may follow up question ako sayo,..
"base sa sagot mo, ibig sabihin  ay Mali ang ginawa ng mga karakter sa bible na pagpatirapa at pagsamba sa "angel of The Lord" ? Maliban na lamang kung Sya ay karapat dapat sambahin na gaya sa pagsamba kay Jesus..?

Payo ko sayo, pakibasa na lang nang link para naman ikaw na mismo ang makahanap ng kasagutan sa tanung mo.
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ha? Angels sinasamba? No way jose! 
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ha? Angels sinasamba? No way jose! 
pakibasa mo ito at paki digest na rin, andun yan sa link. Di mo naman yata binasa  lahat...

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Does the Word state it’s ok to worship the Angel of the Lord?
First off lets look to Joshua and
see what he did in his day. Joshua 5:13-15 And it came to
pass, when Joshua was by
Jericho, that he lifted up his
eyes and looked, and, behold,
there stood a man over against
him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him,
and said unto him, Art thou for
us, or for our adversaries? And
he said, Nay; but ascaptain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his
face to the earth,and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his
servant? Andthe captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua,Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standestis holy. And Joshua did so. Not only did Joshua worship this
“Captain of the LORD’S host,”
but this Captain RECEIVED his
worship without a problem. In
fact he even told Joshua to
remove his shoes because the ground he was standing on was
holy. And Joshua did just that!
Where have we heard this
before? Exodus 3:2-5 Andthe angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst
of a bush: and he looked, and,
behold, the bush burned with
fire, and the bush was not
consumed. And Moses said, I will
now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not
burnt. And when the LORD saw
that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said,
Here am I. And he said, Draw not
nigh hither:put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. The Angel of the Lord is taking
the shape of a flame of fire all
over a bush. Then the passage
states it is God that speaks to
him out of the midst of that
bush. In same manner as the Captain of the LORD’S host of
Joshua, the Lord tells him to
remove his shoes because the
ground he is standing on is holy!
The key here is this “Angel of
the Lord” or “Captain of the host” is seeking and receiving worship. A regular CREATED angel cannot do that! The Word of God
would never proclaim that
without exposing it as evil! Case
in point is found in Revelation… Revelation 19:10 AndI fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me,See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have
the testimony of Jesus:worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Revelation 22:8,9 And I John saw
these things, and heard them.
And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which
shewed me these things. Then
saith he unto me,See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy
brethren the prophets, and of
them which keep the sayings of
this book:worship God. In both cases, the man of God
falls down to worship the angel,
but the angel rebukes John and
tells him to worship God only! So
the Angel of the Lord, or the
Captain of the hosts, MUST be the Son of God! If it was not Him,
the Word would have said
something about it because we
see here a created angel
rebuked John for doing what
was wrong to do! Fact is, all created beings including angels
must worship Jesus. Psalms 66:4All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy
name. Selah. Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he
bringeth in the firstbegotten
into the world, he saith, Andlet all the angels of God worship him. By the way... Where you aware
that the term “Lord of hosts”
appears 235 times in the KJV
Bible? Where you also aware
that it refers to “commander of
God’s angelic army” as well? The Captain of the Lord’s host,
that Joshua saw was actually
Michael from Revelation 12, who
is actually Jesus Christ Himself.
This is why Joshua was told to
bow before Him in worship, as was Moses told at the bush
when the Angel of the Lord was
present. I repeat the Strong's
concordance definition to the
name Michael...
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12-15-12 05:40 AM
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"Sinoman ay huwag manakawan ng
ganting-pala sa inyo sa pamamagitan
ng kusang pagpapakababa at
PAGSAMBA SA MGA ANGHEL, na
nananatili sa mga bagay na kaniyang
nakita, na nagpapalalo ng walang kabuluhan sa pamamagitan ng
kaniyang akalang ukol sa
laman," (Colossians 2:18).

Bakit di alam ng ka sda nyo ang tungkol dyan.

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iisa,hahaha,
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