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Question: Inutos ba si bible na binyagan ang Sanggol?

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01-02-13 09:07 AM
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author=tracer23 link=topic=226715.msg5969847#msg5969847 date=1357061413]
Parang ganito logic mo eh, walang sustansya. Eto ibabalik ko sayo... tsk tsk!


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Anong verse din nag utos maglagay ng ninong at ninang?

sagot = biblical ang logic nyo at wala rin kayong verse na bawal ang ninong at ninang.
        sa amin aral yan --base on the interpretation of bible. sa inyo kasi eh letra por letra at doon kayo walang magagawa--so ginagamit nyo ang logic o interpretation of biblical text rather than biblical letra for letra--which is your basis of biblical-text believer only.


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Aminin nyo na kasi dinagdag nyo lang yon!

sagot = "bawal ang ninong at ninang"---ito yong dagdag nyo sa bible letra por letra na hindi nyo sinulat sa bibliya
 at sinulat yan sa bibig nyo na galing daw sa bibliya letra por letra
ang "bawal ang ninong at ninang".

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Basta lang ba sila bumabautismo? Hindi ba 'to requirement? May pananampalataya na ba ang baby?

GAWA 8:36-37 ...at sinabi ng bating, ANO ANG NAKAHAHADLANG upang akoy mabautismuhan? At sinabi ni Felipe kung NANAMPALATAYA KA NG BUONG PUSO ay mangyayari.

sagot = totoo ba itong verse? :

          GAWA 8:36-37 "...at sinabi ng bating, ANO ANG NAKAHAHADLANG upang akoy mabautismuhan? At sinabi ni Felipe kung NANAMPALATAYA KA NG BUONG PUSO ay mangyayari at ang  mga baby ay bawal sa amin na bautismohan sila."

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Pano binautismuhan, winisikan ba?! Bat kelangan pa lumusong sa tubig kung wisik lang, sana dun na lang sila sa tabi hindi pa sila nabasa.

GAWA 8:38-39 At ipinagutos nyang itigil ang karo at silay kapwa LUMUSONG SA TUBIG,  At kanyang binautismuhan sya. At ng MAGSIAHON SILA SA TUBIG, ay inagaw si Felipe ng espiritau ng panginoon

sagot = totoo ba itong verse? :
       
         GAWA 8:38-39 "At ipinagutos nyang itigil ang karo at hindi sila winisikan sa tubig, at silay kapwa LUMUSONG SA TUBIG,  At kanyang binautismuhan sya. At ng MAGSIAHON SILA SA TUBIG, ay inagaw si Felipe ng espiritau ng panginoon."




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01-02-13 11:34 AM
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gandang topic to ah
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basa:

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from yahoo answer.

Num. 19:18 – here, the verbs for dipping
(“baptisantes”) and sprinkled (“bapsei”)
refers to affusion (pouring) and sprinkling
(aspersion), not immersion. Matt. 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16 -John the Baptist
prophesied that Jesus will baptize
("baptisei") with the Holy Spirit and fire. In
this case, "baptisei" refers to a "pouring" out
over the head. This is confirmed by Matt. 3:16
where the Holy Spirit descends upon Jesus' head like a dove and Acts 2:3-4 where the
Holy Spirit descended upon Mary and the
apostles' heads in the form of tongues of fire.
In each case, in fulfilling John the Baptist's
prophecy, the Lord baptized ("baptizo") in the
form of pouring out His Spirit upon the head, not immersing the person. Matt. 20:22-23; Mark 10:38-39; Luke 12:50 -
Jesus also talks about His baptism (from
"baptizo") of blood, which was shed and
sprinkled in His passion. But this baptism
does not (and cannot) mean immersion. Mark 7:3 - the Pharisees do not eat unless
they wash ("baptizo" ) their hands. This
demonstrates that "baptizo" does not always
mean immersion. It can mean pouring water
over something (in this case, over their
hands). Mark 7:4 - we see that the Jews washed
("bapto" from baptizo) cups, pitchers and
vessels, but this does not mean that they
actually immersed these items. Also, some
manuscripts say the Jews also washed
(bapto) couches, yet they did not immerse the couches, they only sprinkled them. Luke 11:38 - Jesus had not washed
("ebaptisthe") His hands before dinner. Here,
the derivative of "baptizo" just means
washing up, not immersing. Acts 2:41 - at Peter's first sermon, 3,000 were
baptized. There is archeological proof that
immersion would have been impossible in this
area. Instead, these 3,000 people had to be
sprinkled in water baptism. [Edit] I would say why not spend seven years
in seminary, learn to speak Greek, Latin and a
little Hebrew, go on some archeological digs
and study as much of the original manuscript
evidence as I have....and see for yourself.

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Originally Posted by : Niboresrun on 01-01-13 11:04 PM
tama, yan ang ayaw nila tanggapin, kailangan munang nasa tamang isip na..yung talagang alam na ang pagsampalataya

teka sino ang nag sabing ayaw namin tangapin.. Hehehe halata ka pong di nagbabasa ng post ko.

Eh malinaw sa post ko na tanggap sa katoliko ang pagbibinyag sa mga may muwang na o yung mga matatanda na.. 

nangan kasi, kayo po ang di makatangap na may mali sa argumento nyo 'ero pinagpipilitan parin po ninyo.

At sa pagbibigay nyo ng argumento nyo eh hindi nga po kayo nag qquote sa bible, eh ang title panaman nito eh kung biblical ba..

Ni hindi mo nga masagot ang tanong ko at todo iwas kayo. BIblically, ipinagbawal ba ang pagbibinyag sa sanggol?

Eh kung HINDI PO KAYO MAKAPAGBIGAY NG MAGANDANG ARGUMENTO, Lock nyo na po sir yung thread nyo. Salamat
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01-02-13 09:02 PM
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author=tracer23 link=topic=226715.msg5974349#msg5974349 date=1357126390]
Walaaaaaang kasustasustansya!!<---anong biblical verse ito?
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Panggulo ka lang sa usapan, nakakahilo diwa ng mga post mo. Maghanap ka ng kausap...
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ewan ko ba dyan, laging ganyan post niyan magulo lagi ang diwa
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kulang sa tamang doktrina yan .
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Originally Posted by : akhatshi on 01-03-13 12:05 AM
kulang sa tamang doktrina yan .
nakasulat ba sa doktrina ng mga apostoles na bawal ang sanggol?

i repeat at paki-view nga ng "bawal ang mga sanggol sa binyag" sa doktrina ng mga apostoles?
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tracer23: 01-02-13 10:31 PM | Report
Panggulo ka lang sa usapan, nakakahilo diwa ng mga post mo. Maghanap ka ng kausap...

sagot = mas magulo ang diwa mo na walang ipakitang nakasulat sa aklat nyo na "bawal ang binyag ng mga sanggol". di ba letra por letra ang logic nyo?

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Niboresrun: 01-03-13 12:02 AM | Report
ewan ko ba dyan, laging ganyan post niyan magulo lagi ang diwa

sagot = @dodong would not leave catholicism, so you must be well-prepared now for your future threads .remember, you should have to encounter catholicism that you never learned before.maliit lang nalalaman ko pero mas malaki pa ang alam ng catholicism.

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1 Corinto 4
6 Ang mga bagay ngang
ito, mga kapatid, ay
inianyo ko sa halimbawa sa
aking sarili at kay Apolos
dahil sa inyo; upang saamin ay mangatuto kayo na
huwag magsihigit sa mga
bagay na nangasusulat;
upang ang sinoman sa inyo
ay huwag magpalalo ang
isa laban sa iba.

Tanong lang po mga sir.

Pag ang isang bagay ba na ginagawa mo na hindi naman nasusulat eh, hindi ka ba lumalabag doon sa huwag hihigit sa nasusulat?  Nagtatanong lang po mga sir.
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Originally Posted by : cycle19 on 01-03-13 03:50 PM
1 Corinto 4
6 Ang mga bagay ngang
ito, mga kapatid, ay
inianyo ko sa halimbawa sa
aking sarili at kay Apolos
dahil sa inyo; upang saamin ay mangatuto kayo na
huwag magsihigit sa mga
bagay na nangasusulat;
upang ang sinoman sa inyo
ay huwag magpalalo ang
isa laban sa iba.

Tanong lang po mga sir.

Pag ang isang bagay ba na ginagawa mo na hindi naman nasusulat eh, hindi ka ba lumalabag doon sa huwag hihigit sa nasusulat?  Nagtatanong lang po mga sir.

heto ay hindi nakasulat sa new testament:

1.)  "bawal ang mga sanggol sa binyag"

2.)  "hindi bawal ang mga sanggol sa binyag"

3.)  "sanggol o hindi sanggol ay bawal bibinyagan."

yong tatlo lahat sa itaas ay hindi nga nakasulat sa new testament, then:

1.) sanggol ay binyagan

2.) bawal ang  sanggol sa binyag

3.) sanggol o hindi ay bibinyagan.

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may punto sa itaas
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ang punto ko dapat napangaralan muna ng salita ng diyos at naintindihan ang doktrina bago bautismuhan . dame ko tawa sayo
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Originally Posted by : dodong143 on 01-03-13 04:53 PM
heto ay hindi nakasulat sa new testament:

1.)  "bawal ang mga sanggol sa binyag"

2.)  "hindi bawal ang mga sanggol sa binyag"

3.)  "sanggol o hindi sanggol ay bawal bibinyagan."

yong tatlo lahat sa itaas ay hindi nga nakasulat sa new testament, then:

1.) sanggol ay binyagan

2.) bawal ang  sanggol sa binyag

3.) sanggol o hindi ay bibinyagan.

Sori! Di ko maget kung ano ang konek doon sa huwag hihigit sa nasusulat. Ang punto kasi nung talata kapag hindi naman kasi nakasulat huwag mo nalang gawin. Kung walang nakasulat na pagpoprosesyon ng mga rebulto mas mainaw na wag nalang kasi hindi nga sya nasusulat. Ang malinaw na nasusulat ay wag kang gagawa ng  o sasamba sa inanyohan ng kamay ng tao ni yuyukuran ang mga ito.

Exodus 20 1 At sinalita ng Dios ang lahat ng salitang ito, na sinasabi, 2 Ako ang Panginoon mong Dios, na naglabas sa iyo sa lupain ng Egipto, sa bahay ng pagkaalipin. 3 Huwag kang magkakaroon ng ibangmga dios sa harap ko. 4 Huwag kang gagawa para sa iyo ng larawang inanyuan o ng kawangis man ng anomang anyong nasa itaas sa langit, o ng nasa ibaba sa lupa, o ng nasa tubig sa ilalim ng lupa: 5 Huwag mong yuyukuran sila, o paglingkuran man sila; sapagka't akong Panginoon mong Dios, ay Dios na mapanibughuin, na aking dinadalaw ang katampalasanan ng mga magulang sa mga anak, hanggang sa ikatlo at ikaapat na salin ng lahi ng mga napopoot sa akin;

Andya di yung sagot sa paliwanag mo na,
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oo nga hindi na nga nakasulat ginagawa pa . mga bulaang propeta talaga mali ang pangaral kaya ayan hindi na nga nasusulat ginagawa pa ng mga tao . kasi mali ang natanggap na aral .
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