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 Topic: Ayon sa Biblia, tunay na Diyos ba si Cristo?  (Read 8092 times)
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eto po ang relasyun nila

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." (1 John 5:7).
Ilan naman ang Diyos sa tingin mo?
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isa lamang  po
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isa lamang  po
Oh isa lang pala eh... Bakit yung iba eh sinasabi na Diyos si Jesus?
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Originally Posted by : Askman on 10-05-12 04:57 PM
Sino yung Amang tinutukoy nya?
Nice question!

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 author=Askman link=topic=216884.msg5558654#msg5558654 date=134941856
Repost...

Kung Diyos si Jesus... Bakit sinabi ito ni Jesus?

@dodong=kung tao si anak...bakit sinabi ito sa kanyang tatay na : ang tatay kong tao ?

Pupunta daw sya sa Ama nya dahil mas higit daw ang Ama nya kaysa sa kanya...

@dodong=kung tao si Jesus ...higit bang tao si Ama ( God the Father ) ?

Kung Diyos si Jesus... Bakit sinabi ito ni Jesus?

Anung sabi? "To my God" Oh edi malinaw na may Diyos nga si Jesus!

Kung Diyos si Jesus... Bakit nya sinabi ito?

Anung sabi? "but him who sent me." Malinaw pa sa sikat ng araw oh... Yung nagsugo daw sa kanya....

Kung Diyos si Jesus... Bakit nya sinabi ito.?

Sa lahat ng yan... Sino ang tinutukoy ni Jesus na nagsugo daw sa kanya, na pupuntahan daw nya, na mas higit pa daw sa kanya... Sino ang tinutukoy nya? Sarili nya? May tinutukoy syang Diyos sa mga talata tapos ang gusto palabasin eh sarili din pala nya ang tinutukoy nya dun? Anu to? Kage Bunshin Technique?

Paki paliwanag nga...

@dodong=have you read :" destroy this temple and i will rise it up in three days ! ! "

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Ikaw dodong... Ilan ang Diyos sa tingin mo?

EDIT:

Alam mo dodong... Ang Ama at Anak ay hindi pwedeng maging isa. Magkaiba yun! Kaya invalid ang argumento mo! Tutukuyin ba ni Jesus ang Diyos Ama kung iisa sila? Aber? Edi lalabas na, kung iisa lang ang Diyos, at sinasabi nyo na Diyos si Jesus... That means, ang tinutukoy na Diyos Ama ni Jesus eh walang iba kundi ang sarili din pala nya diba?

Anyway... Di nanaman sinagot ni dodong yung simple kong tanong. Nag-eskapo nanaman!
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brod askman kahit anong ilatag mo dyan na talata hinding hindi yan sila maniniwala very well said ang mga talata na pinost mo pero magbubulag bulagan parin yan at pilit hahanap ng sagot ayon sa kanilang paniniwala
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Ito ang tanong ko...
Quote:
Originally Posted by : Askman on 10-05-12 09:26 PM
Ilan naman ang Diyos sa tingin mo?

At ito ang sagot ng isang theist...

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Originally Posted by : hardy98 on 10-05-12 09:38 PM
isa lamang  po

Isa lang daw...
Ang tanong ko... Kung iisa ang Diyos... Sino ang tinutukoy na Diyos Ama dito ni Jesus kung Diyos din pala si Jesus para sa inyo?

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Repost...

Kung Diyos si Jesus... Bakit sinabi ito ni Jesus?

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“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."(John 14:28)

Pupunta daw sya sa Ama nya dahil mas higit daw ang Ama nya kaysa sa kanya...

Kung Diyos si Jesus... Bakit sinabi ito ni Jesus?

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"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"(John 20:17)

Anung sabi? "To my God" Oh edi malinaw na may Diyos nga si Jesus!

Kung Diyos si Jesus... Bakit nya sinabi ito?

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"By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me."(John 5:30)

Anung sabi? "but him who sent me." Malinaw pa sa sikat ng araw oh... Yung nagsugo daw sa kanya....

Kung Diyos si Jesus... Bakit nya sinabi ito.?

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"I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish—the very works that I am doing—testify that the Father has sent me. 37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, 38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent."(John 5:36-38)

Ang punto ko dito... Kung tinuturing nilang Diyos si Jesus at the same time eh sinasabi nyo din na iisa lang ang Diyos... Lalabas dyan na ang tinutukoy ni Jesus ay walang iba kundi ang sarili din nya! Bakit? Eh Diyos nga daw si Jesus diba sabi nila? Tapos ang sabi din nila eh iisa lang ang Diyos... Oh edi ang sarili nga ni Jesus ang tinutukoy nyang Diyos Ama, kasi nga eh iisa lang ang Diyos!

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malinaw na nga yung 1john 5:7
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Kung malinaw nga yan at iisa lang ang Diyos gaya ng sabi mo... Ano itong sabi mo dito?

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Originally Posted by : hardy98 on 10-05-12 06:24 PM
hindi niya sarili yun ang ama yun

"Hindi nya sarili yun Ama yun?" Ang ibig mo bang sabihin eh magkaiba si Jesus at ang Diyos Ama na tinutukoy nya?

EDIT:
Aantayin ko sagot nyo sa tanong ko...
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Genesis 1
26 At sinabi ng Dios, Lalangin natin ang tao sa
ating larawan, ayon sa
ating wangis: at
magkaroon sila ng
kapangyarihan sa mga isda
sa dagat, at sa mga ibon sa himpapawid, at sa mga
hayop, at sa buong lupa, at
sa bawa't umuusad, na
nagsisiusad sa ibabaw ng
lupa.

Malinawan na may kasama ang Dios at katulong sa pasimula ng kanyang paglikha sa lahat ng bagay.

At sa talatang 27 malinaw na ipinakita ng Dios kung ano may katayuan ang kanyang mga kasama.

27 At nilalang ng Dios ang tao ayon sa kaniyang
sariling larawan, ayon sa
larawan ng Dios siya
nilalang; nilalang niya sila
na lalake at babae.

Saang larawan at wangis nilikha ang tao?
"Lalangin natin ang tao sa
ating larawan, ayon sa
ating wangis"

Sino ang mga ito?
"ayon sa
larawan ng Dios siya
nilalang"

May nasusulat nga na ganito eh.

Tagalog, Psalms 82
1 Ang Dios ay tumatayo sa kapisanan ng Dios; siya'y
humahatol sa gitna ng mga
dios.
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pa tatak dito sir Ronin. Parang repost

Kung si hesus at ama ay iisa. Bakit gumamit pa si hesus na word na Father o Ama kung siya din pala yun? Anong rason nun? Laro laro lang?

edit: idol cycle maganda suriin ang talata mo. Magtatanong ulit ako bukas
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iisang Dios, 3 ang persona..

1 John 5:7

Soul, Body and Spirit, parang sa tao..

Simple lang pero mahirap para sa mga taong literal mag isip..

Goodnight.. Busy mode..
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Originally Posted by : Askman on 10-05-12 10:05 PM
Ikaw dodong... Ilan ang Diyos sa tingin mo?

EDIT:

Alam mo dodong... Ang Ama at Anak ay hindi pwedeng maging isa. Magkaiba yun! Kaya invalid ang argumento mo! Tutukuyin ba ni Jesus ang Diyos Ama kung iisa sila? Aber? Edi lalabas na, kung iisa lang ang Diyos, at sinasabi nyo na Diyos si Jesus... That means, ang tinutukoy na Diyos Ama ni Jesus eh walang iba kundi ang sarili din pala nya diba?

Anyway... Di nanaman sinagot ni dodong yung simple kong tanong. Nag-eskapo nanaman!
meron ka bang rules and regulations about sa bibliya?
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2 pages na,  sabi po isang Dios pero may tatlong personalidad.. Kanya kanyang gawain..
sabi nga sa isang pahayag.. We cannot explain the infinite God with our finite mind.. Pero i attempt parin natin kahit kulang.. Hal. Isang lalaki may anak at asawa at may trabaho.. Kapag kaharap nya mga katrabaho nya syempre ipapakita nya ang personality nya bilang isang kaopisina o katrabaho.. Alangan naman namang ipakita nya na ama sya sa kanila o bilang asawa.. Pero sya parin yun.. Ibang personalidad..pero mababaw parin yung paliwanag at alam kong maraming kokontra.. Isa pang hal. (Nabasa ko lang pero pwede na rin ngunit kulang) ay ang tubig, pwede itong maging solid, liquid at gas, pero tubig parin yun.. Sabi ko nga kulang ang ating reasoning para ipaliwanag ang walanhangang Dios...

Sa creation sa Genesis.. Naroon ang tatlong personalidad ng Dios,. Ngunit iisang Dios.. Sino ang tinutukoy na "natin" kung magkagayun..  Alangan namang mga anghel yun... May nasabi ba na sa paglalang ay kasama ng Dios ang mga anghel!?
At sa hebrew daw(kasi hindi naman ako nag aral ng wikang yun) ang Word na Elohem ay plural noun...

isa pa, alangan namang ang Juan 1 ay mali,.. Tahasang sinabi dun na ang Salita na nagkatawang tao ay sumasadios at Dios.. Wag nyo po kasing ituring na ang Dios ay mortal na tulad natin.. Isipin nyo na lang, ang kanyang Salita ay nag incarnate.. Made flesh and dwell among us.. Naging tao..

isa pa..sabi sa bible, ang lahat ay nilalang ng Dios... Pati ang mga anghel.. Tanong: maymababasa ba tayo na si Jesus ay nilalang..? Ang sabi sasimula palang sya ay sumasaDios at Sya ay Dios.   

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