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10-05-12 10:50 AM
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 1 Corinto 8:6   subalit para sa atin ay iisa lamang ang Diyos, ang Ama na lumikha ng lahat ng bagay, at tayo'y nabubuhay para sa kanya. Iisa ang Panginoon, si Jesu-Cristo, at sa pamamagitan niya'y nilikha ang lahat ng bagay, at sa pamamagitan din niya'y nabubuhay tayo.

Iisa lamang ang Diyos, ang Diyos Ama na lumikha ng lahat ng bagay, at sa pamamagitan ni Cristo ay nilikha ng Diyos Ama ang lahat ng bagay.
Dito masasabi din natin na dalawang magkaibang persona ang Diyos Ama at Cristo.

Juan 5: 30   Hindi ako gumagawa dahil sa sarili ko lamang. Humahatol ako ayon sa sinasabi sa akin ng Ama, kaya't matuwid ang hatol ko. Hindi ang sarili kong kalooban ang aking sinusunod kundi ang kalooban ng nagsugo sa akin.
Ang Diyos Ama ang nagsugo kay Cristo, magkaiba ang nagsugo sa isinugo.

 Mateo 27:46   Nang mag-aalas tres na ng hapon, sumigaw si Jesus, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani ?" na ang ibig sabihi'y "Diyos ko, Diyos ko, bakit mo ako pinabayaan?"
Dito mismo ang Cristo ay may tinatawag na Diyos, kaya hindi natin masasabi na Diyos si Cristo dahil siya mismo may kinikilalang Diyos, iisa lang Diyos yan ang Diyos Ama.


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"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1).


"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1:14).


"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." (1 Timothy 3:16).

Sa mga talata na binigay mo sinasabi ba nito na si kristo ay hindi Dios



quote] Mateo 27:46   Nang mag-aalas tres na ng hapon,
sumigaw si Jesus, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani ?" na
ang ibig sabihi'y "Diyos ko, Diyos ko, bakit mo ako
pinabayaan?"
Dito mismo ang Cristo ay may tinatawag na Diyos,
kaya hindi natin masasabi na Diyos si Cristo dahil siya mismo may kinikilalang Diyos, iisa lang Diyos
yan ang Diyos Ama.[/quote]


Try nating subukan ang logic mo

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" (Hebrews 1:1-2).

"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." (Hebrews 1:.

Tinawag ng Dios ama si Kristo na "God" "Dios" ibig bang sabihin nito hindi Dios ang Ama pagkat may tinawag itong Dios
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"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1).


"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1:14).


"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." (1 Timothy 3:16).

Sa mga talata na binigay mo sinasabi ba nito na si kristo ay hindi Dios



quote] Mateo 27:46   Nang mag-aalas tres na ng hapon,
sumigaw si Jesus, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani ?" na
ang ibig sabihi'y "Diyos ko, Diyos ko, bakit mo ako
pinabayaan?"
Dito mismo ang Cristo ay may tinatawag na Diyos,
kaya hindi natin masasabi na Diyos si Cristo dahil siya mismo may kinikilalang Diyos, iisa lang Diyos
yan ang Diyos Ama.


Try nating subukan ang logic mo

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" (Hebrews 1:1-2).

"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." (Hebrews 1:.

Tinawag ng Dios ama si Kristo na "God" "Dios" ibig bang sabihin nito hindi Dios ang Ama pagkat may tinawag itong Dios
Yung the word na talata mo sir eto na yung sagot
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Juan 5: 30   Hindi ako gumagawa dahil sa sarili ko lamang. Humahatol ako ayon sa sinasabi sa akin ng Ama, kaya't matuwid ang hatol ko. Hindi ang sarili kong kalooban ang aking sinusunod kundi ang kalooban ng nagsugo sa akin.
Ang Diyos Ama ang nagsugo kay Cristo, magkaiba ang nagsugo sa isinugo.
Ibigsabihin ang kalooban ng Diyos ay ang sinusunod ni Cristo. Sabi nga ni Cristo "Hindi ako gumagawa dahil sa sarili ko lamang" dahil ang mga aral na itinuturo ni Cristo ay galing sa Diyos.
Hindi literal ang ibigsabihin ng Juan 1:1 at yung 14 na din ang patunay noon, na sa pamamagitan ni Cristo ay naituro ang mga aral ng Diyos.

Yung Hebrews ang Cristo jan ay yung "a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom" bakit? imagine mo nalang sir na ang Diyos meron siyang kasangkapan "sceptre" tulad ng Juan5:30

At saka sir lumalabas na 2 na ang Diyos, conflict yan sa
1 Corinto 8:6   subalit para sa atin ay iisa lamang ang Diyos, ang Ama na lumikha ng lahat ng bagay, at tayo'y nabubuhay para sa kanya. Iisa ang Panginoon, si Jesu-Cristo, at sa pamamagitan niya'y nilikha ang lahat ng bagay, at sa pamamagitan din niya'y nabubuhay tayo.
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Diyos nga ba si Cristo
sabi ni Muhammand masmataas pa daw siya kay Cristo

totoo ba yun ?
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Kung Diyos si Jesus... Bakit sinabi ito ni Jesus?

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“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."(John 14:28)

Pupunta daw sya sa Ama nya dahil mas higit daw ang Ama nya kaysa sa kanya...

Kung Diyos si Jesus... Bakit sinabi ito ni Jesus?

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"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"(John 20:17)

Anung sabi? "To my God" Oh edi malinaw na may Diyos nga si Jesus!

Kung Diyos si Jesus... Bakit nya sinabi ito?

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"By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me."(John 5:30)

Anung sabi? "but him who sent me." Malinaw pa sa sikat ng araw oh... Yung nagsugo daw sa kanya....

Kung Diyos si Jesus... Bakit nya sinabi ito.?

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"I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish—the very works that I am doing—testify that the Father has sent me. 37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, 38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent."(John 5:36-38)

Sa lahat ng yan... Sino ang tinutukoy ni Jesus na nagsugo daw sa kanya, na pupuntahan daw nya, na mas higit pa daw sa kanya... Sino ang tinutukoy nya? Sarili nya? May tinutukoy syang Diyos sa mga talata tapos ang gusto palabasin eh sarili din pala nya ang tinutukoy nya dun? Anu to? Kage Bunshin Technique?

Paki paliwanag nga...
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malinaw pa sa sikat ng araw ang mga talata na inilatag mo sir askman nice one, pero sigurado hindi parin maniniwala ang mga taga sunod niya.(christians)
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@ronin
Sir maliwanag po ang talata sa hebrew ang sabi "unto the son he saith" maliwanag po si hesus ang tinotokoy at hind ang ceptre

@ask
Ang mga talata po na binigay mo kaya po ganun pagkat si kristo po ay nagpakababa


Philippians 2:5-11
New International Version (NIV)

5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;


7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross!

9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,


11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.
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Sino yung Amang tinutukoy nya?
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it was Gods love for us that He wants to be close to us and to do that in a very comprehensive human manner, came down and lived as Jesus Christ. And through Christ teachings may we let God enter our hearts as the Holy Spirit.

@askman,
Dios na Ama ang tinutukoy po ni Jesus. - pafz alam naman po ninyo to and why bother to ask pa??

tanong ka ulit ng philosophic although logical question pero teka po muna.. Eto muna ang itanong nyo sa sarili - kung ikaw po si Jesus, would you claim immediately that you are God and will people believe you if you want them to teach what God needed for us to do?
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Bawal dito ang hindi naniniwala sa Dios..mga science beliver labas
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@askman,
Dios na Ama ang tinutukoy po ni Jesus. - pafz alam naman po ninyo to and why bother to ask pa??

tanong ka ulit ng philosophic although logical question pero teka po muna.. Eto muna ang itanong nyo sa sarili - kung ikaw po si Jesus, would you claim immediately that you are God and will people believe you if you want them to teach what God needed for us to do?
Sa mga ginawang kababalaghan ni Jesus... Sinong hindi mag-aakalang Diyos sya? Yung mga ginawa nyang himala ang patunay na Diyos sya. Tapos sasabihin ng iba dito na kaya sya nakagawa ng himala eh dahil may pahintulot ng Diyos Ama... Eh si Jesus na nga din yung Diyos Ama diba? Kung iisa lang ang Diyos, bakit sinabi ni Jesus na may nagsugo pa sa kanya? Bakit nya sinabing may nakataas pa sa kanya? Gayong ang gusto nyong palabasin na si Jesus at ang Diyos Ama ay iisa... Kung hinubad nya ang pagka-Diyos nya... Dapat wala syang kapangyarihan ng gaya sa Diyos... As in pure human lang. Eh kaso nakalakad sa tubig, nagpatigil ng bagyo, at bumuhay ng patay which is hindi kayang gawin ng tao nang wala daw pahintulot ng Diyos... Eh Diyos nga siya diba? Panu sya hihingi ng pahintulot sa Diyos Ama kung sya at ang Diyos Ama ay iisa? So... Ang gusto nyong palabasin eh yung tinutukoy ni Jesus na nagsugo sa kanya, na mas nakatataas sa kanya eh sarili din pala nya? Yun ba gusto nyong iparating?
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hindi niya sarili yun ang ama yun
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@ask,
salamat sa sagot.

para turuan at ipaaalam sa atin paano ang magsilbi sa Dios without taking away our freedom. People will never understand God unless He talks and walks like men...
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Originally Posted by : hardy98 on 10-05-12 06:24 PM
hindi niya sarili yun ang ama yun
Malinaw ang sagot mo... Na ang tinutukoy ni Jesus ay ang Ama. Eh bakit yung sabi ng iba na iisa lang ang Diyos gayong Diyos pala si Jesus. Sino yung Diyos Ama na tinutukoy ni Jesus? Ano ang relasyon nila sa isa't-isa?
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eto po ang relasyun nila

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." (1 John 5:7).
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