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09-30-11 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by : exaflare23 on 09-30-11 07:06 AM
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Baka gusto mo muna itry dude bago ka mag salita para yung sasabihin mo eh hindi mo lang haka-haka kundi experience

no thanks! Sa riyalidad Di naman kasi isinilang ang tao sa mundo ito na di kumilala sa Dios at yang paniniwalang yan ang pumigil sa lahat. Atheist kaman wag mung ipagkaila na lumaki ka rin sa kinilala naming Dios bago ka naging isang ganyan. Kahit ang pinaniniwalaan ng science ay kumilala din sa kanilang nakagisnang dios (caveman).
ang post ko sa itaas ay halimbawa lang paano kung isinilang ang mundong ito na walang kaalaman sa Dios. May pagpigil kaya maganap sa tao. Magugustuhin ba ng isang tao walang Dios ang ubusing ang napakaikling buhay sa mundo na puno ng paghihirap. Kung may ibang paraan naman na makuha mu ang mga ito ng mabilisan.
ipokrito ang isang tao kung sasabih nya masarap maghirap habang ang iba'y masagana at nagagawa ang mga bagay na masarap gawin dito sa mundo. Ipokrito ang isang taong sasabihing hindi masarap ang bawal.
bakit kaming magtitiis na wag gawin ang mga iyan? Dahil iyan ang nais ng Dios naming gawin.
at ang reyalidad ay isinilang ang mundo na may Dios.
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09-30-11 11:37 AM
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no thanks! Sa riyalidad Di naman kasi isinilang ang tao sa mundo ito na di kumilala sa Dios at yang paniniwalang yan ang pumigil sa lahat. Atheist kaman wag mung ipagkaila na lumaki ka rin sa kinilala naming Dios bago ka naging isang ganyan. Kahit ang pinaniniwalaan ng science ay kumilala din sa kanilang nakagisnang dios (caveman).
ang post ko sa itaas ay halimbawa lang paano kung isinilang ang mundong ito na walang kaalaman sa Dios. May pagpigil kaya maganap sa tao. Magugustuhin ba ng isang tao walang Dios ang ubusing ang napakaikling buhay sa mundo na puno ng paghihirap. Kung may ibang paraan naman na makuha mu ang mga ito ng mabilisan.
ipokrito ang isang tao kung sasabih nya masarap maghirap habang ang iba'y masagana at nagagawa ang mga bagay na masarap gawin dito sa mundo. Ipokrito ang isang taong sasabihing hindi masarap ang bawal.
bakit kaming magtitiis na wag gawin ang mga iyan? Dahil iyan ang nais ng Dios naming gawin.
at ang reyalidad ay isinilang ang mundo na may Dios.



Lahat naman talaga ng atheist ay galing sa pagiging believer dahil wala pa silang kamalayan sa mga bagay bagay nuong isinilang sila? Sa tingin mo ba magagawang mag isip
agad ng baby kung tama ba ang kaniyang religion o hindi?

Anu nga kaya anu? Sa tingin mo ba magiging magulo ang mundo kung walang diyos?
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09-30-11 12:20 PM
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ganun naman pala eh ayaw mo, ibig sabihin hindi mo papala totally nararanasan na pag wala kang Dyos eh magiging masama na ang isang tao o hindi na sya puwedeng maging mabuti? In short haka-haka mo lang yun mga sinasabi mo.
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may Dyos na nga magulo pa eh yung wala pa kaya? Mag attach kaya ako ng vid pinupugutan ulo, para dagdag karanasan at aral
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09-30-11 01:24 PM
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^their morality is dependent on their belief.

sabi nya nga...
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kung wala talagang Dios,
masarap ang maraming babae kaysa stick to one.
mas masarap kumita ng pera ng di pinaghihirap kaysa pagpaguran.
mas masarap ang hindi magtrabo kaysa sa magtrabaho.
mas masarap mapakasaya ng walang limitasyo kaysa sa may pumipigil sa'yong gawin mu ang mga ito.
mas masarap maging hari kaysa alipin.
kung walang Dios at walang mga utos ng Dios ang sarap gawin ang mga bagay ng walang pumipigil saiyo.
anu kayang klaseng mundo ang Taong walang Dios at walang utos na sinusunod?

this only proves that they can't do good without their belief. being good is totally dependent from their God. for them believing in God is good and not believing is evil. but you can't always conclude that way. sa dami ng mga krimen na ginagawa ng mga naniniwala sa Dyos, masasabi ba nating mas mabuti pa din kayo kesa sa hindi naniniwala? partida na yan ha naniniwala ka pero kriminal ka. kaya siguro inassume mo na mas malala pa dyan ang mga non believers kasi nga walang Dyos na gumagabay at kinakakatukan nila.

to tell you, morality of non believers is not based on fear of "Big Brother" who is always looking upon us. we believe in golden rule. you know about it?
anyways here's my take on your sentences ...
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kung wala talagang Dios,
masarap ang maraming babae kaysa stick to one.
of course yes. but para sa mga non-believers lang ba to? muslims can marry more than one woman.

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mas masarap kumita ng pera ng di pinaghihirap kaysa pagpaguran.
no definitely. mas masarap pa ding gastusin ang perang pinaghihirapan mo.

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mas masarap ang hindi magtrabo kaysa sa magtrabaho.
no definitely. tamad lang ang nagsasabi nyan.

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mas masarap mapakasaya ng walang limitasyo kaysa sa may pumipigil sa'yong gawin mu ang mga ito.
of course yes. sino ba naman ang ayaw ng limitadong kasiyahan. but dont take it negatively. you must be responsible with your act. dapat wala kang tinatapakang tao kung nagsasaya ka.

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mas masarap maging hari kaysa alipin.
what do you mean by this? we are in modern times. wala ng hari at alipin.

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kung walang Dios at walang mga utos ng Dios ang sarap gawin ang mga bagay ng walang pumipigil saiyo.
anu kayang klaseng mundo ang Taong walang Dios at walang utos na sinusunod?
it is your act that will lead you to your destruction. if you think that doing such thing can hurt others then do not do it. simple as that. and it wont take a belief just to do those things, right?

can't you do things without being instructed? ifGod tells you to kill your neighbors, would you do it? i think yes, because it is written in the bible how God killed people even the babies. then if that is the case, mas nakakatakot pa kayo kasi kung tatangalin natin ang paniniwala nyo sa Kanya, wala na kayong morality.



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may Dyos na nga magulo pa eh yung wala pa kaya? Mag attach kaya ako ng vid pinupugutan ulo, para dagdag karanasan at aral

hindi mo maiintindihan ang isang bagay hanggat hindi mo lubusang nauunawaan..

Ngayon maipapaliwanag mo ba sa thread na ito kung baki sa sweden ay mas mababa ang crime rate which is atheist ang majority nila compare sa pilipinas na religious country?

Or Anyone from the believers?
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I wanna raise some questions for atheists.
I hope you wont mind.

If you dont believe in God, or if you think God doesnt exist. Where do you think life came from?

I wish I could meet atheists/agnostics and talk to them face to face. Enjoy siguro makipagusap sa kanila :-)
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I wanna raise some questions for atheists.
I hope you wont mind.

If you dont believe in God, or if you think God doesnt exist. Where do you think life came from?

i prefer to be called non-believer.

anyways, regarding to your question. my answer is i really don't know. all we have now are theories about how and where living organism exist. there MIGHT be a creator of things but i dont think that this is the God that people are talking about. creator is different from god.   

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may Dyos na nga magulo pa eh yung wala pa kaya? Mag attach kaya ako ng vid pinupugutan ulo, para dagdag karanasan at aral

OO nga naman, buti nalang sa Japan, hindi sila ganung kainclined sa beliefs nila, pero napaka disiplina nila at napaka ayos nila?

As I am always telling the believers religion doesn't equate to morality

@sehren

medyo scientific ang magiging approach natin kung sasagutin natin ng detailed yung tanung mo. At hindi din naman ako expert sa mga ganung paliwanagan. Pero let's try the theory called THE BIG BANG (which is included sa mga aralin ng high school). Medyo alam ko na yung isasagot ng mga believers dito, ang sasabihin nila ay yung FIRST CAUSE THEORY  na lahat ng bagay ay may pinag mulan. So kung ganun nga. Saan nagmula si god?
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medyo scientific ang magiging approach natin kung sasagutin natin ng detailed yung tanung mo. At hindi din naman ako expert sa mga ganung paliwanagan. Pero let's try the theory called THE BIG BANG (which is included sa mga aralin ng high school). Medyo alam ko na yung isasagot ng mga believers dito, ang sasabihin nila ay yung FIRST CAUSE THEORY  na lahat ng bagay ay may pinag mulan. So kung ganun nga. Saan nagmula si god?

yes it is very scientific and we are not in the position to explain where we came from. at least we don't conclude immediately that someone with super extra hyper power did it. it is not always the opposite of unexplainable is god. because what might be impossible yesterday, through constant and continues study may all be possible today and tomorrow.     

one of the things that lead me to being a non-believer is how people describe God. being so powerful, present everywhere, very merciful, all-knowing, all-benevolent, etc. those characteristics can't exist.   


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kung sakin lang.. i don't believe that there is a god but i also don't know where life came from.. pero wala na akong pakialam dun.. hindi ko na sasayangin buong buhay ko para mag alala sa bagay na yan.. at sa halip eh mabuhay nalang sa paraang nais ko kahit gaano pa ito kasalungat sa iba dahil ikaw naman ang dapat mag dikta sa buhay mo at wala ng iba hindi ang mga idolo mo sa telebisyon o sino mang author ng libro.

at dun naman sa nagsasabing mga ipokrito ang mga taong tulad namen na mga atheist, freethinker, humanist ah basta yung walang paniniwala sa relihiyon.. eh baka gusto mo tumingin sa salamin para makita mong may putik ka sa mukha o hindi kaya tignan mo yung art ni mideo cruz para makita mong may titi ka din sa mukha. pero sa mga ganitong usapin eh wala naman talagang magpapatalo at gaya ng ibang thread na may pagkakahambing dito... if you are looking for the truth...
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Ah okay. I expected someone would answer the bigbang theory. :p

Is it possible for you to believe in God or be a believer, again? Why or why not?
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i prefer to be called non-believer.

anyways, regarding to your question. my answer is i really don't know. all we have now are theories about how and where living organism exist. there MIGHT be a creator of things but i dont think that this is the God that people are talking about. creator is different from god.

Do you think you were created by a creator?

And what is the difference between God and creator?
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ang crime rates nakasalalay yan sa

culture
tradition
implemented law (more fatal less crime)
religions

nakakaapekto sa tao yan, and minor things pa

ang tao pinanganak na mabuti likas na masama,

sa US marinig ka lang ng kapitbahay mu na pinapaiyak mo anak mo isusumbong ka agad ng kapitbahay mo eh
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Is it possible for you to believe in God or be a believer, again? Why or why not?
of course yes. consider manifestation and evidence. there is no reason for us not to believe.
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Do you think you were created by a creator?
maybe. but i wont waste my time thinking about that.
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And what is the difference between God and creator?
you may use the dictionary. it is free.


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ang crime rates nakasalalay yan sa

culture
tradition
implemented law (more fatal less crime)
religions

nakakaapekto sa tao yan, and minor things pa

ang tao pinanganak na mabuti likas na masama,

sa US marinig ka lang ng kapitbahay mu na pinapaiyak mo anak mo isusumbong ka agad ng kapitbahay mo eh
and your point is?
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