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Title: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 06-23-17 12:22 PM
Hi guys I'm back!  ;D

It's been a long time since we had our last visit in pinoyden. Seems 2015 pa yata yun and yet andito pa din ang ibang nakaka debate namin before. Good for them.
Former threadstarter kanselado has been out for good. He's on different journey with his life. Opps hold your horses! he resigned from work (i know what you're thinking hehe) and now on his new environment. So what do we have here... :)
I open this thread again for those who don't belong to any organized sect or religion. Those who are not practicing religious dogmas or beliefs. Those who are inside the closet. This is your time to come out. Ask questions, share your ideas. Tell us your stories. How do you get here?

And to those who do not belong to the herd, stay away. Please do not bring your bible here okay? Because in the first place we don't believe in your book so there is no point of making a topic out of it. Dun na lang kayo magkalat or magdebate sa mga thread ninyo okay ba yun? Don't turn this place into a mess.

Please be civilized. 



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Glenlee04 on 06-23-17 06:54 PM
nagsilayas na mga trupa mo tol dahil kay fabriche.

lagpag si Sakura cherryblossom.

nauutal si jaiconruidas.

si aleng whoisliezel,di naman makasabay.naboboard na si fabriche dito.sa reddit nalang tumanbay


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 06-23-17 09:30 PM
LOL the way i see it kahit sino mauuta talaga kapag kausap tong mga nasa labas ng thread.
parang wala ng sustansya. the arguments are circular. i understand kung nagsilayas na sila jaicon.
yung mga threads nila ganun at ganun pa din ang usapan. hindi na natapos ang batuhan ng putik. lahat magaling. lahat tama :lol:

at yung dating magkakaaway...ganun pa din :lol:

well i dont care about them. as i said, this thread is for those without belief.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 06-26-17 03:24 PM
commentary:

remember atheist and agnostic always has it own opposite groups where agnostic/atheist always discusses biblical verses to be false/wrong ---- hence biblical verses were their most discussed topics of atheists and agnostics.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: grimangel on 06-27-17 01:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : dodong143 on 06-26-17 03:24 PM
commentary:

remember atheist and agnostic always has it own opposite groups where agnostic/atheist always discusses biblical verses to be false/wrong ---- hence biblical verses were their most discussed topics of atheists and agnostics.
Galing talaga ni dodong
Kung may tanong sa bible at koran sa tingin ko mas maraming nalalaman mga to, di nga lang sinasabuhay.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 06-27-17 07:50 AM
:lol: dudung mah man its you again. and as always...rhetoric

@grim
actually its scary kapag sinabuhay nila yan. it is where extremism resides.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 06-27-17 09:00 PM
agnostics and atheists are fully knowledgeable about the bible then comparing to their respective faith/science --- they can prove bible are wrong or false,,,  therefore bible are their first and main discussion when dealing to their atheism and agnosticism.



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: grimangel on 06-27-17 10:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : dodong143 on 06-27-17 09:00 PM
agnostics and atheists are fully knowledgeable about the bible then comparing to their respective faith/science --- they can prove bible are wrong or false,,,  therefore bible are their first and main discussion when dealing to their atheism and agnosticism.
So are they considered anti-christ? Knowing much about the bible yet they chose not to believe it especially the prophecy in the revelation that the kinds of them have now appeared. Some of them are good people but defies gods word. Is there a content in the bible that the likes of them will be saved?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 06-28-17 08:03 AM
here we go again. how can you be "anti" if in the first place you don't believe in its existence?

being "anti-christ" is not us. and we don't buy the idea of being "saved". that's for you.

fully knowledgeable? we'll take that as a compliment. but not the way you think of us. its like we fully knew all the books of twilight saga but we don't believe in the existence of vampires and wolves. they are just for entertainment.

if you want the bible to be your moral standards then go on.   


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: grimangel on 06-28-17 08:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 06-28-17 08:03 AM
here we go again. how can you be "anti" if in the first place you don't believe in its existence?

being "anti-christ" is not us. and we don't buy the idea of being "saved". that's for you.

Belief nyo lang yan tol but the others have the right if they believe youre an anti-christ. Besides tinutuligsa nyo ang biblia. How can the other believers cant accuse you?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 06-28-17 09:03 PM
in the bible verse:

 it has said that human can either choose one: good or evil

if human choose not one of them,



then penalty for these human is to "spit him away".


note :

i forgot to which bible verses number are referring to the status of human being neutral ( neither good nor evil) .


========================================================

i found the bible verses:

REV 3:16

Since you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to spit you out of my mouth.

ISV, NASB



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 06-29-17 08:31 AM
Quote:
Belief nyo lang yan tol but the others have the right if they believe youre an anti-christ. Besides tinutuligsa nyo ang biblia. How can the other believers cant accuse you?

ok let me just say something about the word "anti". Anti means the one that opposed (as per merriam-webster definition). the antonym for that is "pro" or the affirmative side or in-favor. Atheism is the "lack" of belief. Yes I do understand that some may think that we are anti-christ. But how could we be anti if in the first place we don't believe in the existence of Christ, for example. So pwede din ba kaming anti-unicorn? :lol: That is why we explain. 

And dudung mah man i just said in the beginning that don't bring your bible here. was that necessary? my goodness. that has nothing to do with what we are discussing.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 06-29-17 08:03 PM
bible are part of life for atheist and agnostic and without bible agnostic and atheist will not exist.

im not discussing about interpretation of the bible but im discussing bible with agnostic and atheist.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: frozenberyl on 06-29-17 09:24 PM
ano ba talaga ang earth.
flat o round o sphere.
Bible base ah.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 06-30-17 05:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : frozenberyl on 06-29-17 09:24 PM
ano ba talaga ang earth.
flat o round o sphere.
Bible base ah.

per rules in page 1 ==== author are not allowing bible in this thread .

you should ask like this:

ano ba talaga ang earth.
flat o round o sphere.
agnostic or atheist base ah.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: frozenberyl on 06-30-17 06:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : dodong143 on 06-30-17 05:39 AM
per rules in page 1 ==== author are not allowing bible in this thread .

you should ask like this:

ano ba talaga ang earth.
flat o round o sphere.
agnostic or atheist base ah.
Wala akong pake sa atheist. expected ko na sagot nila. gusto ko malaman ang sagot Ng Bible seeker. kasi Isa ito sa flaws kung sa Diyos ba sila. at kung gaano kalalalim ang pag unawa sa bibliya.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 06-30-17 08:54 AM
don't be fooled by conspiracy theorists.
earth is round period.

it has nothing to do with believing in bible or not.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: grimangel on 06-30-17 12:45 PM
Nadumihan na ata natin thread ni pareng thrown pero since wala pa namang ibang non-believers dito entertain mo muna kami.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: frozenberyl on 06-30-17 02:12 PM
@thrown. Bible verse nga?
maniwala ako. baka kopyahin mo Lang pahayag ni soriana.
sure ka na earth is round?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 06-30-17 03:56 PM
^who is soriana by the way? :lol:

yes i'm pretty sure. do i need to explain?
i've been on a debate with flat earthers and one thing i realized, never argue with idiots. sorry for the term. but flat earth has been debunked way way back pa. i don't know where these people came from. parang propeta ng mga to si eric dubay. there are lots of evidence that earth is round or spherical.

but again...don't use bible verse here to prove your point. not honored here.
if you can't follow a simple rule then jump out of the window. too wide for you.

@grim
yes, it seems that nawala na nga sila. its okay. people come and go. pero ang titibay ng mga theists dito sa PD ha. andito pa din hangang ngayon at nagdedebate haha.. natawa talaga ako. ang sisipag. pwde ng bigyan ng award.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: frozenberyl on 06-30-17 06:52 PM
same with flat Earth. there's a lot of evidence too.
but if you are true believers of GOD . and your sect have a teaching about earth. why don't you post it.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 07-03-17 08:00 AM
^ mukha kang taga ibang dimension. i wont be surprised if you are muted. you can check your replies.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: soultrack on 07-08-17 11:21 AM
seryoso talagang debatable pa ba kung flat o sphere ang hugis ng mundo sa panahon ngayon?

hintayin ko kung kelan ako dadalhin ni frozenberyl sa dulo ng flat na mundo niya para naman mapagmasdan ko kung paano bumabagsak ang tubig don at umaangat naman sa kabilang panig, nakakamangha sigurong pagmasdan yun.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: FranceAngelo on 07-08-17 11:26 PM
Napadaan lang.. I remember you somehow @thrown...

7 years of being atheist and counting..


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 07-11-17 07:26 AM
supp guys soultrack and FranceAngelo.

@soultrack
i don't know where on earth galing tong mga flat earthers. it seems sila yung mga taong napakahilig magbasa ng conspiracy theories. andyan na ang lahat ng technology and info para lang patunayan na hindi flat ang earth. ayun pinagpipilitan pa din. :lol:

@France
yup its been a long time. i'm here again and andito pa din sila...preaching


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: soultrack on 07-11-17 03:41 PM
hayaan niyo na sila hanggang walang kumakasa sa mga flat earthers na maglakbay sa pamamgitan man ng barko o eroplano sa iisang direksiyon lang ay engot nalang ang maniniwala sa kanila. dahil kung flat ang earth ay makakarating ka sa hangganan tubig man ito o lupa pero dapat kung dire-diretsyo ka parin dapat makakalabas kana ng kalawakan, pero maganda sana yun hindi na magaaksaya pa ng maraming fuel at energy para lang makalabas sa outer space. haha


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 07-11-17 09:55 PM
flat can be round.
round can never be flat.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 07-12-17 07:51 AM
Quote:
hayaan niyo na sila hanggang walang kumakasa sa mga flat earthers na maglakbay sa pamamgitan man ng barko o eroplano sa iisang direksiyon lang ay engot nalang ang maniniwala sa kanila. dahil kung flat ang earth ay makakarating ka sa hangganan tubig man ito o lupa pero dapat kung dire-diretsyo ka parin dapat makakalabas kana ng kalawakan, pero maganda sana yun hindi na magaaksaya pa ng maraming fuel at energy para lang makalabas sa outer space. haha
hindi ka daw mapupunta sa kalawakan kasi nga may barrier daw which yung wall of ice ng antartic. pinagbabawal daw ng mga mayayamang bansa na magpunta dun kasi nga daw baka mabuking yung secret nila :lol: my goodness
meanwhile, the Vatican has its own hospital because praying does not work. the irony.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: soultrack on 07-12-17 08:05 PM
oo nga pala hindi ka nga daw makakalabas ng earth kasi dito magtatapos ang sanlibutan at yung mga libo-libong mga space satellites ay hindi totoo pati yung technology na GPS ay hindi totoo at yung yung telecommunication ay nakabase sa underwater submarine cable, at yung lunar landing pati yung space station ay peke lang daw at nagsisinungaling lang ang mga scientist. ow! meron pa nga pala akung napanod na pati daw yung HIV ay hindi din totoo at gawa-gawa lang ng mga doctor. noong napanood ko yun natawa ako sa isip ko baka may tulo ito at nahihiya lang magpagamot manghahawa pa yung loko. haha


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 07-13-17 07:44 AM
nakakabahala lang is may isa akong flat earther na nakita nasa academe pa. meaning he's teaching. good luck sa students.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: systematic on 07-14-17 03:22 AM
flat earth? parang imposible naman yan. Sa totoo lang talaga ang hirap paniwalaan :haha:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jigsaw on 07-15-17 08:57 AM
flat chested maniniwala ako :lmao:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Glenlee04 on 07-17-17 06:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 07-12-17 07:51 AM
hindi ka daw mapupunta sa kalawakan kasi nga may barrier daw which yung wall of ice ng antartic. pinagbabawal daw ng mga mayayamang bansa na magpunta dun kasi nga daw baka mabuking yung secret nila :lol: my goodness
meanwhile, the Vatican has its own hospital because praying does not work. the irony.
wala namang irony dyan.catholic denominations ang isa sa pinakamaraming nagmamay ari ng hospital.hindi prayer center for the sick.misconstrude lang ng mga umano atheist.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 07-17-17 10:02 AM
^and what is that misunderstood part? isnt it ironic that you had your own hospital yet the vicar of christ is also in the same place?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Dark_ANGELO on 07-17-17 05:23 PM
papost lang..

hindi ako flat earthers

naintriga lang..

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MwUN0v_qMjs/VZvdyX7DymI/AAAAAAAAARw/cWD7zRxQxVA/s1600/11059416_10153114836933999_3545207725103786688_n.jpg)

http://www.philipstallings.com/2015/07/the-biblical-flat-earth-plane-truth.html?m=1 (http://www.philipstallings.com/2015/07/the-biblical-flat-earth-plane-truth.html?m=1)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: soultrack on 07-17-17 06:51 PM
eto sagot ko diyan.
https://www.metabunk.org/flat-earth-theory-debunked-by-short-flights-qf27-qf28-from-australia-to-south-america.t6483/ (https://www.metabunk.org/flat-earth-theory-debunked-by-short-flights-qf27-qf28-from-australia-to-south-america.t6483/)
https://www.metabunk.org/a-flight-over-the-antarctic-sea-ice-from-chile-to-australia-qf28.t8235/ (https://www.metabunk.org/a-flight-over-the-antarctic-sea-ice-from-chile-to-australia-qf28.t8235/)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Glenlee04 on 07-18-17 12:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 07-17-17 10:02 AM
^and what is that misunderstood part? isnt it ironic that you had your own hospital yet the vicar of christ is also in the same place?
does it matter ba?kelan ba itinuro na ang kailangan lang milagro/dasal ng pope?saka,kelan mo naisip na kahit ang pope di naoospital?lol......swerti ka pa wala na si fab dito.matagal ka na sanang na facepalm


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 07-18-17 07:30 AM
:lol: flat earth

Quote:
does it matter ba?kelan ba itinuro na ang kailangan lang milagro/dasal ng pope?saka,kelan mo naisip na kahit ang pope di naoospital?
did i say that? don't put your own words in my mouth. are you hurt? save it for yourself. you might forgot what thread are you into.

Quote:
lol......swerti ka pa wala na si fab dito.matagal ka na sanang na facepalm
swerte? :lol: yun ang nananalo sa lotto. idol mo ba to? 



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Glenlee04 on 07-18-17 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 07-18-17 07:30 AM
:lol: flat earth
did i say that? don't put your own words in my mouth. are you hurt? save it for yourself. you might forgot what thread are you into.
swerte? :lol: yun ang nananalo sa lotto. idol mo ba to?
hahaha.not said yet you consider it as an irony?when actually its awkward reasoning.thinking like any church layman relies only in prayers not medical attention.
thrown is just a "feeling" brilliant to be an atheist.may be kelangan mo mag isip kung kelangan na ba "itapon" tong thread.thrown this to trash.


fabriche?
idol ba.kung di mo sya kilala sa reddit,di mo masabi yan.siya lang naman nagpa ghost town dito sa mga atheists umano.magmula kay cherryblossom,jaiconruidas,kufwa,leizelwho,etc.sali ka pa sana kung di ka nagtago.
kala mo di ko alam naka online ka nung kasagsagan ng balitaktakan dito?
tiningnan ko lang naman mga profile ninyo.kaso nabahag buntot ninyo.
tawa mode nalang.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 07-18-17 02:34 PM
Quote:
hahaha.not said yet you consider it as an irony?when actually its awkward reasoning.thinking like any church layman relies only in prayers not medical attention.
thrown is just a "feeling" brilliant to be an atheist.may be kelangan mo mag isip kung kelangan na ba "itapon" tong thread.thrown this to trash.

fabriche?
idol ba.kung di mo sya kilala sa reddit,di mo masabi yan.siya lang naman nagpa ghost town dito sa mga atheists umano.magmula kay cherryblossom,jaiconruidas,kufwa,leizelwho,etc.sali ka pa sana kung di ka nagtago.
kala mo di ko alam naka online ka nung kasagsagan ng balitaktakan dito?
tiningnan ko lang naman mga profile ninyo.kaso nabahag buntot ninyo.

lol napaka self-righteous mo saying to me that i should throw this thread to trash. well as far as i know you are not even an atheist. kakatawa ka. again read the title of the thread. it is self-explanatory. you are the one who is feeling brilliant. i suggest you go out. you do not enter a house and say destroy this one. that is so inappropriate.

and you know what so funny? yung sinasabi mong nakaonline ako nung kasagsagan ng balitaktakan nila. seriously, natawa ako hahaha. i dont know what happened here after i left for quite sometime. not a single idea. maybe they left for a reason and not because of what you are saying na kesyo nabahag ang buntot. :lol: we do have priorities. work. and we don't get paid para tumambay dito. im just lucky enough to get a little time to check on this thread nowadays. maybe in the next months wala na naman. that is why i am amazed that the old timers theists are still here debating like pusero, st. james, cycle19, ventus, and the others... i wonder where they are working. :lol:

again if you are butthurt with the posts, leave the thread. you go and create your own. religion debate i think is an old thing. there will never be winners. i've been in so many debates before, in different forums. that is why when i open this kind of thread again, i said,
Quote:
I open this thread again for those who don't belong to any organized sect or religion. Those who are not practicing religious dogmas or beliefs. Those who are inside the closet. This is your time to come out. Ask questions, share your ideas. Tell us your stories. How do you get here?

so you are smart enough. you know what to do.  8)

 


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Glenlee04 on 07-18-17 03:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 07-18-17 02:34 PM
lol napaka self-righteous mo saying to me that i should throw this thread to trash. well as far as i know you are not even an atheist. kakatawa ka. again read the title of the thread. it is self-explanatory. you are the one who is feeling brilliant. i suggest you go out. you do not enter a house and say destroy this one. that is so inappropriate.

and you know what so funny? yung sinasabi mong nakaonline ako nung kasagsagan ng balitaktakan nila. seriously, natawa ako hahaha. i dont know what happened here after i left for quite sometime. not a single idea. maybe they left for a reason and not because of what you are saying na kesyo nabahag ang buntot. :lol: we do have priorities. work. and we don't get paid para tumambay dito. im just lucky enough to get a little time to check on this thread nowadays. maybe in the next months wala na naman. that is why i am amazed that the old timers theists are still here debating like pusero, st. james, cycle19, ventus, and the others... i wonder where they are working. :lol:

again if you are butthurt with the posts, leave the thread. you go and create your own. religion debate i think is an old thing. there will never be winners. i've been in so many debates before, in different forums. that is why when i open this kind of thread again, i said,
so you are smart enough. you know what to do.  8)

 
yan ang butthurt.napahaba din.haha.
si kufwa at jaicon lang naman worthy na atheists dito.yung iba kagaya dyan sa taas napasali lang sa mga "feeling" brilliant to be atheist.
trash to be thrown.

yung irony mo tsong katapat ng sinabi ni cherryblossom na
"pweding sabay maniwala sa kulam,at the same time atheist"
haha


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 07-18-17 05:11 PM
LOL i didn't know that being butthurt depends on the length of post. :lol: because if that is true, then why are you butthurt in the first place with my post about the pope? haha. one liner lang yun. we'll anyways i wont dwell on that one. and it is funny that you label some atheist as "worthy". wow meganun pala? :lol: hindi ako informed. :lol: may criteria pala  ;D

and atheist pala si kufwa? ngayon ko lang nalaman. and naks "worthy". he must be lucky to be labeled as worthy.  ;D. honestly i don't mind the labeling. you can call yourself jesus christ if you want.  :cool2:

and about cherry.. really its funny to think that an "atheist" believes in kulam. but she can believe in whatever she wants to believe in. yes it is again ironic. but that's cherry. she's free to do that.     


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Glenlee04 on 07-18-17 06:39 PM
it has to be reasonable when it comes to belief.both theist and atheist,or whatever.i call it worthy.or simply reasonable.unlike others dyan na somehow feel lang nila,to be fame?to be considered genius?
and cherry?wala namang problema sa belief nya.kanya yun at sayo ang sayo.akin ang akin.hahaha.pero not meant na tatanggapin ko yang "irony" daw mo.at tatanggapin/agree ka kay cherry.lol....
butthurt?
lol...just pointing out na palpak yung irony mo at dapat i thrown away na yun


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: soultrack on 07-18-17 08:46 PM
actually kufwa is a worthy troll pagkatapos ng ginawa niyang trash talking sa lahat ng sections at threads ng site ng ito. :D he is my master "the troll king of PD" saan na kaya yun. haha


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Glenlee04 on 07-18-17 11:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : soultrack on 07-18-17 08:46 PM
actually kufwa is a worthy troll pagkatapos ng ginawa niyang trash talking sa lahat ng sections at threads ng site ng ito. :D he is my master "the troll king of PD" saan na kaya yun. haha
kahit nga si dzebb nakabangga.pero may reasoning sya.warfreak lang nga.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 07-20-17 10:50 AM
Quote:
it has to be reasonable when it comes to belief.both theist and atheist,or whatever.i call it worthy.or simply reasonable.unlike others dyan na somehow feel lang nila,to be fame?to be considered genius?
and cherry?wala namang problema sa belief nya.kanya yun at sayo ang sayo.akin ang akin.hahaha.pero not meant na tatanggapin ko yang "irony" daw mo.at tatanggapin/agree ka kay cherry.lol....
butthurt?
lol...just pointing out na palpak yung irony mo at dapat i thrown away na yun
is there anyone in here that is feeling genious? i don't think so. no one is bragging of something. you do not need to accept the irony. its just there. it wont disappear. :lol: i can enumerate more ironies but it doesn't need your acceptance.  ;D i just laugh when you said that i should throw my "irony". really? :lol:

but i want to point out that you do not need reason if you are a theist. you only need "faith".   



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: soultrack on 07-21-17 12:51 PM
oo nga naman baka mawala ang faith mo kung lalagyan mo ito palagi ng reason at baka dumating ang punto na maghanap ka na ng physical evidence o isang totoong pangyayari na may kinalaman sa faith mo at personal mong naranasan ito o kaya naman kapag hindi natupad yung mga dahilan mo kung bakit ka may faith. pero pwede naman pagsamahin yan nasa isang tao na kung hanggang gaano kalalim ang faith niya na hindi siya madaling mawalan ng pagasa. hehe


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: grimangel on 07-21-17 07:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 07-12-17 07:51 AM
hindi ka daw mapupunta sa kalawakan kasi nga may barrier daw which yung wall of ice ng antartic. pinagbabawal daw ng mga mayayamang bansa na magpunta dun kasi nga daw baka mabuking yung secret nila :lol: my goodness
meanwhile, the Vatican has its own hospital because praying does not work. the irony.
May point din si thrown dito.
Faith doesnt always work, and we tell ourselves "gods plan", "gods will" if it doesnt work. Kung may god's plan hindi na lang ako mag strive hard, I'll sit back and pray for a fish hahaha!
EDIT: hindi ko na naabutan si fab. sayang.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 07-22-17 06:32 AM
Quote:
May point din si thrown dito.
Faith doesnt always work, and we tell ourselves "gods plan", "gods will" if it doesnt work. Kung may god's plan hindi na lang ako mag strive hard, I'll sit back and pray for a fish hahaha!
EDIT: hindi ko na naabutan si fab. sayang.
you hit it but i'll have to remove the "always" word.  ;D ;D

i think naabutan mo si fab. i remember that guy posting a wall of texts.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Glenlee04 on 07-23-17 10:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : grimangel on 07-21-17 07:37 PM
May point din si thrown dito.
Faith doesnt always work, and we tell ourselves "gods plan", "gods will" if it doesnt work. Kung may god's plan hindi na lang ako mag strive hard, I'll sit back and pray for a fish hahaha!
EDIT: hindi ko na naabutan si fab. sayang.
basahin mo nalang balitaktakan nila noon ni cherryblossom,jaiconruidas,yahoo,liezelwho.
pinakain lahat ng mga atheists na yan umano ng alikabok.
kala nila sila na ang genius.hahahahahaha.


si kufwa nga nahuli nya na nagplagiarize.kain putek din yun.

yang si THROWN?nagtago yan noon.ngayon lang lumabas yan na na bored na si fab dito.
bumalik na sa reddit.alam ko account nya sa reddit.sapul din mga atheists dun.nakakapanindig balahiho ng mga thread nya dun.

edit:naabutan daw pala nya si fab.
pero natamimi ang genius feeling lang na atheist dyannsa taas



"wall of texts" daw for a bunch of slows.hahaha


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: autograph on 07-23-17 11:34 AM
Holy moly! 2017 na, hanggang ngayon ba naman may naniniwala pa ding flat ang Earth?

Edit: Fanboy alert. FYI si Kufwa dahilan kung bakit nasira yung thread noon and fyi he's not worthy to be called an atheist.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: soultrack on 07-23-17 05:12 PM
kufwa? he is worthy to be called a king of trolls, my master. lol


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: grimangel on 07-23-17 07:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : Glenlee04 on 07-23-17 10:50 AM
basahin mo nalang balitaktakan nila noon ni cherryblossom,jaiconruidas,yahoo,liezelwho.
pinakain lahat ng mga atheists na yan umano ng alikabok.
kala nila sila na ang genius.hahahahahaha.


si kufwa nga nahuli nya na nagplagiarize.kain putek din yun.

yang si THROWN?nagtago yan noon.ngayon lang lumabas yan na na bored na si fab dito.
bumalik na sa reddit.alam ko account nya sa reddit.sapul din mga atheists dun.nakakapanindig balahiho ng mga thread nya dun.

edit:naabutan daw pala nya si fab.
pero natamimi ang genius feeling lang na atheist dyannsa taas



"wall of texts" daw for a bunch of slows.hahaha
Ah ganon pala kagaling si fab.
By the way ano religion nya?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Glenlee04 on 07-23-17 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : autograph on 07-23-17 11:34 AM
Holy moly! 2017 na, hanggang ngayon ba naman may naniniwala pa ding flat ang Earth?

Edit: Fanboy alert. FYI si Kufwa dahilan kung bakit nasira yung thread noon and fyi he's not worthy to be called an atheist.
FYI din,ng sumulpot yan matino at magaling makipagbakbakan yan.magaling ang reasoning skill nya kaya i think may enough reason sya to be atheist.unlike sa iba na feeling famous at genius lang.

nagsimulang nagtotroll lang yun after nung isinampal sa kanya ni fabriche ang palgiarism nya.sinabihan pa sya ni fab halos lahat ng arguement ng mga atheists na encounter na nya.after ng nabulabog ay di na sya pinatulan ni fabriche.DOON nagsimulang magtroll si Kufwa.naghasik ng lagim.gumawa ng maraming account like "kufwalicious".
nagtroll maging sa UBT section at binangga si Dzebb.

si fabriche lang naman nagpabagsak lahat ng atheists dito.andami nila dito noon at namamayagpag.andyan pa sila axeman,mokels,jakerocks,ratsalad,peejay,etc.lahat yan tamimi.saka kung  nagpakita ka seguro noon Autograph,kain alikabok ka din.hahaha.mapapolitics man ang topic o theological position.
pambihira wala ka kasing alam sa account ni fab sa reddit,hahaha


@grimangel,wala yata syang binanggit na religion i guess.kahit sa mga muslim nga kampi sya.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: autograph on 07-23-17 09:24 PM
Omg, kain alikabok? ang natatandaan ko circular noon ang debate dahil puro assumptions lang naman si Fab. Puro bukambibig mo lang naman si Fab, e ikaw Mr. Super Fanboy?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: grimangel on 07-23-17 10:33 PM
Tawagin si fab. reresbak daw sila haha!


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 07-23-17 10:50 PM
flat earth are still flat.

even straight line will always straight [ even though it is curved ].

so

flat earth is always flat even though its curved.






Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: grimangel on 07-23-17 11:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : dodong143 on 07-23-17 10:50 PM
flat earth are still flat.

even straight line will always straight [ even though it is curved ].

so

flat earth is always flat even though its curved.
Whats the shape of flat earth?
Circle? Square? Rectangle? Octagon?
If a flat earth has bounderies of north and south pole, where its east and west pole?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: soultrack on 07-24-17 12:30 AM
naku mahihirapan sagutin yan ng mga flat earthers kahit nga yung sukat o layo ng bawat kontinente ay wala silang eksaktong sukat sa mismog mapa ng flat earth nila.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Glenlee04 on 07-24-17 05:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : autograph on 07-23-17 09:24 PM
Omg, kain alikabok? ang natatandaan ko circular noon ang debate dahil puro assumptions lang naman si Fab. Puro bukambibig mo lang naman si Fab, e ikaw Mr. Super Fanboy?
hahahha...good alibi actually.pero anong side ang nagkaipitan sa proof?anong side ang nagplagiarize?hahaha..lol.circular?debatable yan.

sabi pa ni NEWBEAST noon,"ikaw na ang bagong idol ng humanities".
ganun talaga yan.noon idol.namin si jaicon.sabi ko nga worthy din yun.
ikaw autograph?????saan ka na belong?
sa pa fame lang?
o sa pa feeling genius?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Dark_ANGELO on 07-24-17 06:15 AM
sa pagkakatanda ko katoliko si fab. 

may topic nga sya about Roman Catholic beliefs.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 07-24-17 07:44 AM
Quote:
yang si THROWN?nagtago yan noon.ngayon lang lumabas yan na na bored na si fab dito.
bumalik na sa reddit.alam ko account nya sa reddit.sapul din mga atheists dun.nakakapanindig balahiho ng mga thread nya dun.

edit:naabutan daw pala nya si fab.
pero natamimi ang genius feeling lang na atheist dyannsa taas


"wall of texts" daw for a bunch of slows.hahaha
LMAO :lol: yeah fan boy is real. it's like riding on to someone without his own sense of argument. poor guy naiwan ng idol. i feel you. anyways thank you for keeping this thread alive. i owe you one. keep up the good work.  :thumbsup: but careful you are becoming a troll...aside from being a fanboy of course :lol:

anyways ang tunay na idol ay si dudung mah man. until now hindi ko talaga mahagip ang frequency nya. :lol:







Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Glenlee04 on 07-24-17 08:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 07-24-17 07:44 AM
LMAO :lol: yeah fan boy is real. it's like riding on to someone without his own sense of argument. poor guy naiwan ng idol. i feel you. anyways thank you for keeping this thread alive. i owe you one. keep up the good work.  :thumbsup: but careful you are becoming a troll...aside from being a fanboy of course :lol:

anyways ang tunay na idol ay si dudung mah man. until now hindi ko talaga mahagip ang frequency nya. :lol:
you re welcome.
hahaha


bat ako mag abala sa pag aaral ng mga ganito to pursue something eh di ako magkakapera dito.lol.
yan ang realidad.
andito lang ako for fun at freenet.at least nakasave ako sa internet plan ko sa shop.


ikaw thrown,ano nagkaperA ka ba dito?
hahahaha....sino ngayon ang luge?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 07-24-17 09:15 AM
ahh may shop ka i see :lol:

nah i don't even earn a single cent. 
i just go here to release boredom from work.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: soultrack on 07-24-17 01:11 PM
@thrown anyare bakit napunta sa usapang pribadong buhay na ito? haha magkakapera kaya ako kung magiging masugid na fans ako ni fabb at susundan ko siya kung san man siya namamalagi sa cyber space?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 07-24-17 02:17 PM
^haha i don't know either.

pero for sure hindi ka magkakapera sa kakasunod. to naman.. ganyan talaga kapag may idol ka. susundan mo tlaga kahit saan. yung iba nga di ba nakikiband wagon pa :lol:

meanwhile, double trouble for the Creationists at the Ark Encounter as the loss of their tax rebate deal could mean turning the lights off - ThinkAtheist

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2017/07/21/kentucky-stops-tax-incentives-ark-encounter/499690001/ (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2017/07/21/kentucky-stops-tax-incentives-ark-encounter/499690001/)

malaking problema yan.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Glenlee04 on 07-24-17 04:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : soultrack on 07-24-17 01:11 PM
@thrown anyare bakit napunta sa usapang pribadong buhay na ito? haha magkakapera kaya ako kung magiging masugid na fans ako ni fabb at susundan ko siya kung san man siya namamalagi sa cyber space?
lol.expertise ko yan kaya ako nagkapera hindi sa pagiging troll o fanboy.hahaha.at least yung knowledge ko hindi lang ukol sa kakayahan ko.at least merong pang political,etc.kunti lang at more on fun lang naman.kumbaga have fun while learning.

2 lang naman idol ko dito.si fab at si boss zharlzzz


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 07-24-17 08:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : grimangel on 07-23-17 11:20 PM
Whats the shape of flat earth?
Circle? Square? Rectangle? Octagon?
If a flat earth has bounderies of north and south pole, where its east and west pole?

it's a round flat.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 07-25-17 10:00 AM
^come on dudung mah man you can do better than that.  ;)



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Mikejeffcastro on 07-25-17 01:55 PM
@Glenlee04 babae ba si fab?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 07-26-17 09:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 07-25-17 10:00 AM
^come on dudung mah man you can do better than that.  ;)

flat earth is not a 2D flat ==== its a 3D flat.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Yaho025 on 07-27-17 08:20 PM
hanggang ngayon payaso parin si glen_leet_utak.

wag niyong Imention yung users na hindi na aktive actually nakakatamad nang tumambay dito dahil lamang troll na at absent na yung mga mod. saka paUlet ulit na lang yung kamangmangan na pinopost. mapapatameme mo sa argumento pero kinabukasan makalawa nagReset na naman yung utak.

yung ibang users busy sa kanya kanya nilang personal na buhay. yung iba nawalan na ng gana dumalaw actually nga ako this is one of my rare visit here. sa social media lang ako active. mas malawak doon. kung gusto mo hanapin mo fb ni jaicon at tweeter ni liz. hindi yun ang dami mong sinasabi sa tao eh di na sila aktive dito. pati yung idol mo. kaya puwede lang for the old sake iLink mo na lang yung mga convrersation at thread na tinutukoy mo dahil on the 1st place. this thread is at new start at yung mga users na tinutukoy mo ay nanahimik matagal nang di aktive. dapat iLink mo na lang kaso hindi eh kase kung may sense ka eto gagawin mo ang problema wala kang sense. :haha:

si dongdong ganun pa din. btw nice to hear from you guys again it seems like forever. sorry to say this but this is a short visit and I cant stay long and active.

ciao.

Edit:

ps. kabisado ko pa rin yung faverite ko emoticon.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Glenlee04 on 07-28-17 12:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : Yaho025 on 07-27-17 08:20 PM
hanggang ngayon payaso parin si glen_leet_utak.

wag niyong Imention yung users na hindi na aktive actually nakakatamad nang tumambay dito dahil lamang troll na at absent na yung mga mod. saka paUlet ulit na lang yung kamangmangan na pinopost. mapapatameme mo sa argumento pero kinabukasan makalawa nagReset na naman yung utak.

yung ibang users busy sa kanya kanya nilang personal na buhay. yung iba nawalan na ng gana dumalaw actually nga ako this is one of my rare visit here. sa social media lang ako active. mas malawak doon. kung gusto mo hanapin mo fb ni jaicon at tweeter ni liz. hindi yun ang dami mong sinasabi sa tao eh di na sila aktive dito. pati yung idol mo. kaya puwede lang for the old sake iLink mo na lang yung mga convrersation at thread na tinutukoy mo dahil on the 1st place. this thread is at new start at yung mga users na tinutukoy mo ay nanahimik matagal nang di aktive. dapat iLink mo na lang kaso hindi eh kase kung may sense ka eto gagawin mo ang problema wala kang sense. :haha:

si dongdong ganun pa din. btw nice to hear from you guys again it seems like forever. sorry to say this but this is a short visit and I cant stay long and active.

ciao.

Edit:

ps. kabisado ko pa rin yung faverite ko emoticon.
yahoooooooooooo.....

makalumang search engine ka na kaya "you shut up".haha.
google na uso ngayon ui.

"maliit ang utak????"

kung lalakihan ko kunti ang utak ko totoy,
seseryosohin ko tong humanities,
research dito,
research doon,
papaubin ko lahat,
tapos ano????
pa fame?

ano kikitain ko dyan totoy sa effort na yan????
lol.....

buti nalng maliit ang utak ko at yung nagain ko na skill sa cyberspace kumukita ako ng sobra 1K/day

ikaw????anu napala mo totoy yahoooooo?????sa bisaya pa "muta" lang.




pero sa ganyang perspective,SINO ang liit utak???????
ang masasabi ko sayo,wala kang alam sa background ko.




maging frontground ko.hahaha


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: soultrack on 07-28-17 07:43 PM
nah! who cares about your personal life?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Glenlee04 on 07-28-17 11:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : soultrack on 07-28-17 07:43 PM
nah! who cares about your personal life?
only you pre.lol....haha


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: soultrack on 07-29-17 07:14 PM
sapalagay ko lahat kami walang pakialam sa buhay mo, wala namang kinalaman yung personal mong buhay sa pinaguusapan sa thread na ito kaya no need na palagi mong ibinabalandra ang buhay mo dito.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Glenlee04 on 07-29-17 11:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : soultrack on 07-29-17 07:14 PM
sapalagay ko lahat kami walang pakialam sa buhay mo, wala namang kinalaman yung personal mong buhay sa pinaguusapan sa thread na ito kaya no need na palagi mong ibinabalandra ang buhay mo dito.
alam ko yan pre.at dapat alam mo din na pinagkakatuwaan ko lang kayong mga seryoso masyado at maingat sa reputasyon ng character nyu umano.
pero ang totoo,hindi parin tayo yan.haha....

iiwan ko nalang muna tong humanities na to kasi boring na.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: soultrack on 07-30-17 11:27 AM
i dont think so buddy kung totoong bored ka talaga at hindi ka interesado in the first place ay dapat hindi ka na nag post dito at hindi na sana pinatulan pa ang post ni thrown, at kung hindi ka seryoso sa mga pinagsasabi mo dito ay di ka na sana paulit-ulit na nag-re-reply, meron kang gustong patunayan kay thrown and his company dahil pinipilit mong igiit ang argumento mo ng puilit-ulit akala mo lang siguro sa una na madali mo silang mapapatahimik kung isasama mo sa argumento mo yung lumang thread at ang pangalan ni fabbriche. kaso hindi umayon sa gusto mong mangyari ang sitwasyon at dahil wala ka ng mailalabas na argumento sa usapan niyo ni thrown and company ay nasa escape mode ka na at ginawa mo nalang dahilan ay yung mga salitang "hindi naman ako dito kikita" na sa una pa lang naman ay nandito ka napo-post at patuloy na nag-re-reply. sa totoo lang pre what a lame and poor escuse para makaiwas sa isang argumento. in the end wala ka ding napatunayan sa pinaguusapan at argumento niyo ni thrown and his company. sana sa una palang sinabi mo na ya at di na nagpatuloy at giniit pa ang sinsabi mo sa thread na ito.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 07-31-17 12:12 PM
funny thing when you said na hindi ka naman kikita dito. we'll that is true. but i don't think this forum is placed to make money :lol: eh di sana dun na lang sa buy and sell. for sure may kita dun.

like i said, again for the nth time, this thread is for those who are of the same situation or disbelief. anything goes. we can chit-chat about how your disbelief started for example. we wont be surprised if someone is offended. kaya nga tambay at your own risk. 


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: lithium on 08-02-17 10:16 PM
Hello :hi: brother thrown. Kamusta? Namiss ko ang pd. Ngayon lang nakadayo ulit, namiss ko rin mga friends natin na sina bro jai, cherryblossoms at chobibo. Pati na din si bro haunted. Buti at may ganitong thread na ulit. Goodluck kay bro kansel sa journey ng buhay nya. :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 08-03-17 12:09 PM
^LOL miss ka na din daw ng PD. :lol:

nawala na sila sa PD. ako medyo nagcomeback lang. ganun talaga ang life lulubog at lilitaw


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: salute on 08-15-17 01:03 PM
hi im new here. :read:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 08-16-17 01:22 PM
 :welcome:
i am your resident atheist...thrown


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: sai_ha on 08-16-17 04:46 PM
simula nung bata pa ako napapaisip na ako kung meron ba talagang god. kung naniniwala man, ako siguro not in any form of religion but i still doubt the existence of god at sa tingin ko yung mga holy book ay man made lang although makakapulot naman ng mga magagandang asal.

pay may namatay gawa ng aksidente, sakit o natural calamities sasabihin may plano ang dyos sa kanila, kinuha na sila ng dyos in god's will bla bla bla. pay may namatay na hindi nila kalahi o karelihiyon sasabihin parusa yan sa kanila. mga ganitong pagiisip ng mga tao di ko masikmura.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: soultrack on 08-16-17 05:00 PM
ganyan talaga may mga tao na yung tinuturo nila o tinuturo sa kanila ay hindi nila pinapraktis sa mga sarili nilang buhay. kaya nga naimbento ang salitang hipokrito.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: grimangel on 08-16-17 09:33 PM
Naalala ko yung freethinker na ayaw i-give up yung na-stroke na father nya. Samantalang yung iba mas gusto pang mamatay na lang kesa daw nakikitang nahihirapan.
Paano kung walang ngang afterlife?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: salute on 08-16-17 09:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 08-16-17 01:22 PM
:welcome:
i am your resident atheist...thrown
salamat bro. :D

hmm para sa akin palaisipan parin kung bakit nasisaayos parin ang mga bagay bagay dito sa mundo at kung bakit may perpektong desenyo ang isang bagay, para sa ikabubuti ng lahat. 


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 08-17-17 06:55 AM
Quote:
simula nung bata pa ako napapaisip na ako kung meron ba talagang god. kung naniniwala man, ako siguro not in any form of religion but i still doubt the existence of god at sa tingin ko yung mga holy book ay man made lang although makakapulot naman ng mga magagandang asal.
on the other hand, makakapulot ka din ng hindi magandang asal. see the old testament. 
Quote:
pay may namatay gawa ng aksidente, sakit o natural calamities sasabihin may plano ang dyos sa kanila, kinuha na sila ng dyos in god's will bla bla bla. pay may namatay na hindi nila kalahi o karelihiyon sasabihin parusa yan sa kanila. mga ganitong pagiisip ng mga tao di ko masikmura.
that is double standards

Quote:
Paano kung walang ngang afterlife?
meron ba talaga? we never know. that is the most honest answer.

Quote:
hmm para sa akin palaisipan parin kung bakit nasisaayos parin ang mga bagay bagay dito sa mundo at kung bakit may perpektong desenyo ang isang bagay, para sa ikabubuti ng lahat.
false. the world is not perfect. even the universe. mas chaotic nga outside




Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: salute on 08-17-17 11:47 AM
hmm sa tingin ko nasaayos naman ang lahat. Nasa atin kung paano natin ito gagamitin.

Hindi naman siguro nangangahulugan na ang salitang perpekto na ok na ang lahat? :think:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 08-17-17 01:34 PM
Quote:
Hindi naman siguro nangangahulugan na ang salitang perpekto na ok na ang lahat?
so in your own understanding what is perfect? pag sinabing perfect score so maybe that's 100/100. no mistakes. perfect nga eh di ba?

if we are living in a perfect world then maybe there will be no more disasters. All the regions will be habitable.



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jaiconruedas on 08-17-17 01:55 PM
Hello guys. Newbie here.

:)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 08-17-17 03:04 PM
samahan mo ako magwalis... may nagssabi dito nilampaso daw kayo eh :lol:

eh ako naman sanay ng naglalampaso. working student dati eh haha


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: salute on 08-17-17 04:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 08-17-17 01:34 PM


if we are living in a perfect world then maybe there will be no more disasters. All the regions will be habitable.
may nag sabi binigyan daw tayo ng pagiisip para sa mundong ito, na hindi perpkto at para pumili sa tama at mali. Kung gusto daw natin na perfect ang lahat ito daw ay nasa langit. :hmm:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: soultrack on 08-17-17 04:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : salute on 08-16-17 09:41 PM
salamat bro. :D

hmm para sa akin palaisipan parin kung bakit nasisaayos parin ang mga bagay bagay dito sa mundo at kung bakit may perpektong desenyo ang isang bagay, para sa ikabubuti ng lahat.
una sa lahat pre ano yung perpektong bagay na alam mo? tulad ba ng mundong ito o yung mga nilalang na nabubuhay dito? kasi yung mundo palang mismo ay hindi perpekto kaya nga meron tayong mga weather disturbance o natural calamity kung perpekto ang mundong ito, dapat ay stable ito.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jaiconruedas on 08-17-17 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 08-17-17 03:04 PM
samahan mo ako magwalis... may nagssabi dito nilampaso daw kayo eh :lol:

eh ako naman sanay ng naglalampaso. working student dati eh haha
The best way to fight trolls is ignoring and not feeding them.   ;D

Kakalipat ko din sa bagong company. After 7 years. Si Askman active sa FB. I really like his funny and witty posts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by : salute on 08-17-17 04:14 PM
may nag sabi binigyan daw tayo ng pagiisip para sa mundong ito, na hindi perpkto at para pumili sa tama at mali. Kung gusto daw natin na perfect ang lahat ito daw ay nasa langit. :hmm:
Let's pick the bible as the source of that claim
1. Kinain ni Luffy este ni Eba ang sumpang prutas ng karunungan. Pinagbawalan pa nga sila ni Adan ng diyos na kumain nito. So paano binigyan? Eh pinagbabawalan pa nga.
2. Let say binigyan nga diumano tayo ng karunungan para pumili ng tama at mali, di ba parang limited lang. Gusto ko lang kumain o kaya tumae o kaya tumambay, alin yun ang tama at mali sa pinili ko? Magulo ba?
3. Ayaw ata ng theist ang perfect, kasi ayaw nila mamatay para naman makapunta sa langit. Tutal naman obsess ang ilang theists sa katapusan ng mundo at langit, bakit di na lang sila mauna. :lmao: :rofl:

Quote:
Originally Posted by : soultrack on 08-17-17 04:26 PM
una sa lahat pre ano yung perpektong bagay na alam mo? tulad ba ng mundong ito o yung mga nilalang na nabubuhay dito? kasi yung mundo palang mismo ay hindi perpekto kaya nga meron tayong mga weather disturbance o natural calamity kung perpekto ang mundong ito, dapat ay stable ito.
Makikisingit lang ah.

Ano ba ang perfect? Parang 10/10? Yung mali? Yung lahat positive? Yung pinaka sa pinaka? Paano kung pinakapangit? Eh di perfect na pangit? Kidding aside, let's look at the definition.

Sabi ni pareng google:

per·fect
adjective
ˈpərfikt/Submit
1.
having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be.
"she strove to be the perfect wife"
mga kasingkahulugan   ideal, model, without fault, faultless, flawless, consummate, quintessential, exemplary, best, ultimate, copybook; Higit pa
2.
absolute; complete (used for emphasis).
"a perfect stranger"
mga kasingkahulugan   absolute, complete, total, real, out-and-out, thorough, thoroughgoing, downright, utter, sheer, arrant, unmitigated, unqualified, veritable, in every respect, unalloyed
"she felt like a perfect idiot"

Ano palagay ninyo ang kalagayan natin sa "langit". Ano kayang perfect dun? :lol:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 08-17-17 04:37 PM
Quote:
Kakalipat ko din sa bagong company. After 7 years.
parang si kanselado lang din. after 8 years lumipat na ng company.

Quote:
The best way to fight trolls is ignoring and not feeding them.
sayang at di ko na makita yung convo nyong yun. baka kasi ang akala ng iba eh ang trolling is magaling.

 
Quote:
may nag sabi binigyan daw tayo ng pagiisip para sa mundong ito, na hindi perpkto at para pumili sa tama at mali. Kung gusto daw natin na perfect ang lahat ito daw ay nasa langit.
ayun binigyan ka na nga ng hindi perpektong pag-iisip tapos kapag nagkamali ka ng pili parusa pa ang aabutin.
if nasa langit ang perfection, tara punta na tayo dun. :lol:



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jaiconruedas on 08-17-17 04:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 08-17-17 04:37 PM
parang si kanselado lang din. after 8 years lumipat na ng company.
sayang at di ko na makita yung convo nyong yun. baka kasi ang akala ng iba eh ang trolling is magaling.

 ayun binigyan ka na nga ng hindi perpektong pag-iisip tapos kapag nagkamali ka ng pili parusa pa ang aabutin.
if nasa langit ang perfection, tara punta na tayo dun. :lol:
Well, kung trolling is magaling, jackpot si glen :lmao:

Ano kaya feeling sa langit daw? Sana may perfect lady na dun. Yung maraming butas sa mukha, na perfect niya ang bingo parang ganun. :lmao:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: soultrack on 08-17-17 05:31 PM
simplehan nalang natin yung kahulugan ng perpekto kung tao ang pinaguusapan ay sa simpleng salita ito ay walang kapintasan siguro sa pisikal na kaanyuan yan, kasi kung sa paguugali mahirap na may perpektong ugali dahil ano ba ang perpektong ugali? at kung pisikal naman ay depende na yan sa tumitingin ang mahirap kumukupas ang pisikal na kaanyuan habang nagkaka-edad at kapag patay ka na. kaya wag na nating pahabain wala talagang perpektong bagay o nilalang sa mundong ito. siguro perfect timing.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: salute on 08-17-17 05:34 PM
haha ayan hindi ako marunong mag kowt ng paisa isa sa inyo para mag reply :lol: :newbie:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 08-17-17 05:35 PM
merong perpekto bukod pa kay perfecto...
si cheesus fries :lol:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: salute on 08-17-17 06:40 PM
hmm @soul kung sa pisikal na kaanyuan ang titignan natin. Kung para sa perpektong pagiisip hundi mahalaga ang pangit o maganda. Ikanga sabi ni vice lahat tayo may  kanya kanyang katangian na kagandahan.

@jaico sa tingin ko di lang naka base sa tama at mali, nandun narin kung papaano sumunod ang tao sa Diyos. Ewan ko  haha



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jaiconruedas on 08-18-17 02:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : soultrack on 08-17-17 05:31 PM
depende na yan sa tumitingin

Yan na lang. Tapos :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by : salute on 08-17-17 06:40 PM
@jaico sa tingin ko di lang naka base sa tama at mali, nandun narin kung papaano sumunod ang tao sa Diyos. Ewan ko  haha
Limited Edition nga.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: apatatdalawa on 08-19-17 12:00 AM
Naniniwala ba kayo na kung may Diyos man hindi nya tayo ginawa para sumamba ng sumamba or ipagkalat yung salita nya at gawin or isabuhay ito dahil parang gumawa lang sya ng pilikula nya kung ganun at sya ang director, for what fof diba? kung ako ang Diyos pababayaan ko kayo at mg observe lng.

ps. naniniwala ako na may lumikha sa atin. Eto ay opinyon ko lang pwedeng maniwala pwedeng sumalungat.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 08-19-17 04:33 PM
This thread is obviously for non believers right? So.sige lng maniwala ka nlng sa gusto mong paniwalaan


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: salute on 08-23-17 09:56 PM
@jaico sa tingin ko siguro hindi limitado. Kasi nandun ang pagpili ng tao. Pinili niya ang ang lagpas ng pagiging limitado. Kaya nasa tao na ang responsibilidad ng kaalaman ng pagkilala sa tama at mali at hindi na isisi pa sa Diyos.

Yun lang ang pananaw ko. Kasi naghahanap rin ako ng mga kasagutan sa mga tanong ko.

Thrown hehe kahit sino nagtatanong ako sakanila mapa thiest man o atheist :D


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 08-25-17 07:46 AM
actually mukhang hindi ka naghahanap ng ksagutan sa mga tanong mo... kasi meron ka ng sariling sagot .


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: salute on 08-25-17 10:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 08-25-17 07:46 AM
actually mukhang hindi ka naghahanap ng ksagutan sa mga tanong mo... kasi meron ka ng sariling sagot .
tama ka. Mismo sa sarili naten makukuha ang sagot.

Malapit na mag expire yung promo mawawala nanaman ako. Haha


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 09-07-17 04:59 PM
Joel Osteen under attack! :lol:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/joel-osteen-memes-houston_us_59a902f8e4b0354e44093d3b (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/joel-osteen-memes-houston_us_59a902f8e4b0354e44093d3b)



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 10-10-17 04:07 AM
Patatak lang.

P.S.
Bakit may self-proclaimed dito na nagpaalis daw sa mga atheists sa Humanities? I mean hello, hindi lang naman sa PinoyDen umiikot ang buhay namin. May mga trabaho kami, pamilya, kaibigan at ibang pinagkakaabalahan. So at some point in here it's normal na mawala kami dito sa forum na to. Well ba't ba ko nagpapaliwanag sa isang tao na di man lang to naisip? It should be common sense nalang.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-10-17 10:43 AM
^LOL easy ka lang.. nawala na yun. :lol:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 10-10-17 11:37 AM
Buti naman nawala na.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-10-17 12:03 PM
haha ganun tlaga ang buhay. come and go. nothing stays forever. baka sa afterlife lang meron  :o ;D


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: fabbriche on 10-13-17 07:04 PM
Atheist pa rin kau hanggang ngaun?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: luna_spark on 10-13-17 09:50 PM
Hello there I am a gnostic. I dont belong to any organized religion but still I have my own spiritual path I even visit some mosque, temples and churches here in cebu.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 10-13-17 11:51 PM
uy may bagong thread na pala tagal ko Ng di nakabisita dito ah. ;)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 10-14-17 04:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : fabbriche on 10-13-17 07:04 PM
Atheist pa rin kau hanggang ngaun?
Yes we still are. Why'd you ask?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: luna_spark on 10-14-17 09:08 PM
Is still someone here reminds about cherry and macky?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 10-15-17 09:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : luna_spark on 10-14-17 09:08 PM
Is still someone here reminds about cherry and macky?
You mean know them? I know cherry but I don't know macky.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 10-15-17 07:09 PM
macky ka debate namin na Islam Apologist turned Atheist like me. pati si cocomuizz. :)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: luna_spark on 10-16-17 07:11 AM
Yeah and he always used to back-up his Quran using some scientific discoveries.

Hi jake, Macky was the old me.

I used to come here and suddenly I forgot all of the password of my accounts here so I had no choice and make new one.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-16-17 07:39 AM
Quote:
Atheist pa rin kau hanggang ngaun?
yes and will count more years until you people will provide empirical evidences. or your god will personally appear and will stop using fallible human beings to speak on his or her behalf.

Quote:
Yeah and he always used to back-up his Quran using some scientific discoveries.
Hi jake, Macky was the old me.
oh i see. akala ko you are the old sakura hehe.
welcome back.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: luna_spark on 10-16-17 12:27 PM
Haha you know sakura huh. Interesting.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-16-17 02:45 PM
^nope. dito ko lang din sya nakilala sa forum.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: luna_spark on 10-16-17 04:30 PM
But you added her as friend on facebook ?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-17-17 07:20 AM
Nope.

By the way here's an interesting news today

https://www.livescience.com/60689-gravitational-waves-from-neutron-stars-discovery-ligo.html (https://www.livescience.com/60689-gravitational-waves-from-neutron-stars-discovery-ligo.html)



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 10-17-17 03:22 PM
Groundbreaking yan ah.
parang evolution din ng silent film to now. :)
lalo na malapit na launch ng bagong telescope.
Can't wait.
pati xspace, 2022 daw sa mars. Kaso i doubt it. hindi magaling sa timelines si musk eh. :rofl:

sino tumatambay sa reddit ngayon? sa atheism subreddit ako dati tumatambay pero di na masyado puro neckbeards yung mga tao dun(tulad ko dati :rofl: ) sa mga niche subs and mga default subs nalang. nakaka-cringe mga posts ko dati sa old thread. :rofl:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-17-17 03:50 PM
this is the new age of astronomy. i wonder how our mainstream media will take on this one. puro kasi politics and patayan ang laman ng balita araw-araw. let's see if pang primetime ba ang balita na yan. this news is huge because first time in our life nakawitness ng ganyang phenomenon ang mga scientists. in theory, light elements came from big bang while it is a mystery where heavy metals came from. so may theory na it came from colliding neutron stars. and heto na nga, napatunayan na ngayon na ang gold and platinum ay galing dito.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 10-17-17 04:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 10-16-17 07:39 AM
yes and will count more years until you people will provide empirical evidences. or your god will personally appear and will stop using fallible human beings to speak on his or her behalf.
oh i see. akala ko you are the old sakura hehe.
welcome back.

?????????

your god will personally appear

it should be:

your God will personally appear


================================
note:

god = created being

God = creator



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-17-17 04:51 PM
here you go again dudung mah man.

god = common

God = specific



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 10-17-17 04:54 PM
nandito rin pala si idol dodong.

nakalimutan ata ni dong.
tanda ko may sinabi syang ganyan. :rofl:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-17-17 05:24 PM
yaan mo na yang si lodi dudung.

baka may amnesia lang


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: luna_spark on 10-18-17 10:59 AM
Once upon a time.
A great mind from west talk about the most compassionate Being in the whole universe towards his almost perfect followers.

He always used to be nice and gentle to the most high but one day all things has change.

He dont eat the same food he ate.
He dont visit the temples were he used to stay sometimes and pray.
And he also never utter the name of the highly benevolent one.

Even his sermons changed already.

While giving a discourse his followers barely understand his way and only the young boy has a guts to stand up and raise such a beautiful question.

Young Boy: Oh great master of west I used to be your followers for so many years and I wonder about your teachings now. Why in this world things happen like this ? I never used to be like this you are making trouble. How come -that a great man like you say, "God is Dead"?

The master: is this a question from you young boy or a command that I need to follow ?

Young boy: Oh master. I dont know because I'm not aware but please response in your own way.

The master: This world is too big enough for both of us but suddenly we have many of us that is why God is " dead ".
When God created the world he say " it is   beautiful". When he created the animals he say, "it is beautiful" but when it comes to man he say, "Im so sorry".

So he rested but those idiots (pointing to some group) out there keep on going to the mosque, to the synagouges, church etc. But God never ever visit all the worship placed we use to be present.

He saw that a man become more rational, more logical, more theological and almost higher than a supreme being.

God cant help himself so he take suicide.

Natural death may not work to a God like him.

Young boy listen carefully, One day You'll become like me please drop your idea about God. We all here know that our God and their God exist but it was long time ago.
God is now somewhere to be found you cant even trace his soul, body or even his silence. Young boy you are so smart and I loved you. I dont want you to go astray that's why I also teach you negativity so you will not become obsessed to possitivity one day.

-When God missed to teach us through words the master taught us through action.

October 18, 2017
Author: Marky Fernando Maligmat


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 10-18-17 02:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 10-17-17 05:24 PM
yaan mo na yang si lodi dudung.

baka may amnesia lang


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 10-18-17 03:51 PM
Dong. :pray:

hi mack! :hi:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: luna_spark on 10-18-17 04:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : Jakerockz13 on 10-18-17 03:51 PM
Dong. :pray:

hi mack! :hi:

Hello there.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 10-18-17 04:18 PM
hello to everybody

God believer here.

na post ko na ang difference ng God at god

=============

God is a common name for Jesus Christ (catholic), Allah , etc.

god is a common name for all idols describe in the bible and also refer to anything as a creator of heaven and earth rivaling God describe in the bible.



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 10-19-17 11:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 10-17-17 03:50 PM
this is the new age of astronomy. i wonder how our mainstream media will take on this one. puro kasi politics and patayan ang laman ng balita araw-araw. let's see if pang primetime ba ang balita na yan. this news is huge because first time in our life nakawitness ng ganyang phenomenon ang mga scientists. in theory, light elements came from big bang while it is a mystery where heavy metals came from. so may theory na it came from colliding neutron stars. and heto na nga, napatunayan na ngayon na ang gold and platinum ay galing dito.
If this kind of news is in the spotlight of mainstream media here in PH people here (like they used to) will attribute that again to God. Wala namang bago. But I doubt such news will outshine news here about politics. There's no propaganda in science. Wala silang mapapala dyan to push their agenda. And besides hindi mauunawaan ng payak na pilipino yan. Mas okay yung propaganda nila Mocha na simple lang, yung di ka na kailangang mag-isip.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-20-17 08:59 AM
and until this moment walang philippine media ang nagbalita.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 10-20-17 11:18 AM
Asa pa tayo thrown.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-20-17 03:58 PM
mas newsworthy pa nga sa media yung grades ng anak ni kris aquino. jusko!


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jhep0t on 10-23-17 11:34 AM
Kung di pa ko napadpad dito hindi ko pa makikita yung link about sa discovery ng source of heavy elements after Iron (Fe). Ibang level na talaga space exploration since nagstart ang LIGO. Anyway, nakakalungkot nga dahil hindi nailalabas yan sa mainstream media dito sa Pinas, maybe iniisip nila na hindi interested sa ganyan ang mga pilipino. #ScienceIsLife


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-23-17 02:56 PM
yup that is the sad part. mas interesting daw yung depression ni kris aquino dahil wala ng project na makuha.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 10-23-17 04:46 PM
tol thrown ano na opinion mo kay digong? :think:

ako, nasusuka ako na sinorpotahan ko sya.
nandidiri ako sa sarili ko pag-nababasa ko yung mga pangpupuri ko sa kanya nuon. :(

tapos may "Marcos Parin Mga Ulul" phase din ako nuon. :sad:

Grabe.

Ayan tapos.

Paki sagot po then

Let's avoid any political posts for now.(even though ako nag- bring up ng topic na to. :rofl: )


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-23-17 05:13 PM
oh baket naman? why changed?



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 10-23-17 05:24 PM
sinusuportahan mo pa ba sya?

Do i even need to answer that? Just look around. :rofl:

Nakaka-excite na talaga yung space exploration ngayon. :)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-23-17 05:41 PM
as far as i know he's doing a good job vs previous administration. the infra projects are now on the go. trains, subways, skyways, bridges. dati kasi i voted for gordon-bayani just for the very simple reason. irerehabilitate nila ang PNR para mapakinabangan ng husto. i really like the idea of having a railway system to deliver goods from different parts of the country. that would surely help de-congest traffic in Manila. yun nga lang hindi sila nanalo. yun lang siguro ang ilalagay ko. madami pa.

how about the cons. EJK? killings? nah i really don't care. i don't believe that the state sponsored those killings. it could be that syndicates ordered it. though hindi natin maiaalis na may mga skalawags talagang pulis. at ito yung dapat na bantayan ng government.
the war against drugs? wala akong problema. i am a law abiding citizen so ano ang dapat kong ikatakot? kahit pa magdeclare yan ng martial law kahit sa lugar lang namin wala ako issue. sa panahon natin ngayon, kahit ang law madaling baliin ng mga criminals. dapat sa mga yan hindi na nga palabasin ng kulungan.

 


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 10-23-17 06:04 PM
ok, done.



EJK - Umm. . .

War on Drugs - Kailan pa naging magandang idea to? :think:

I may not agree with what you said but i respect your opinion dude. :)



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jhep0t on 10-23-17 06:22 PM
Sabi nga nila, there are always pros and cons...


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 10-23-17 08:22 PM
umaapaw yung mga cons ni digong eh. :rofl:

ibang topic nalang. ;)

about self driving cars or artificial intelligence? :)

@jhep0t

tumambay ka sa mga sites like reddit, twitter, and youtube science channels for science updates.(Avoid Cancerbook at all cost. it's for your own good brad.)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-24-17 06:42 AM
well just like what we used to do, you look at the pros and antis. lahat ng yan may mga sinasabi. as for me, i don't have any issues with his leadership. im from mindanao and bata pa lang ako i've heard so many stories na about him. kamay na bakal talaga. and i think we need a leader just like that. if you are a 90's kid, you know how discipline is being taught. may kasabihan nga, "laki sa garute". i like that style. we have our own preferences. iisa ang naging trend ng mga naging presidents natin before. masyadong pa-good shot. this man has different approach. let's just give him a chance. we still have 5 more years and i'm looking forward to a more progressive country. sana matapos lahat ng infra under his term. by the way...i also like the idea on federalism. 

okay. self driving cars and AI? These will replace the old habits. pros and cons din yan. affected and workforce sa AI and automation. nanganganib ang BPO industry.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jhep0t on 10-24-17 05:42 PM
Thanks sa concern tol, matagal na talaga ko tambay sa science channels like discovery and natgeo, supa fav ko. Hehe. Kaso lately bc sa work kea ayun matamlay sa lates updates. Yung pagiging curious ko naging way para maopen ang isip ko at maging non-believer, example is nung napanuod ko yung COSMOS: A Spacetime Oddysey. Just sharing. Hehe.

Hmm.. Im from Luzon, pro Digong din ako. :D

Anyway, about sa AI, malaki na improvement nila noh? Example na lang is yung si Siri ni iOS, nakakatuwa yun pag kinakausap ko, hehe. pero mas madami xa nagagawa compare sa google assistant at S-voice ni Samsung. Yung bahay naman ni Mark Zuckerburg ginawan nya ng AI assistant, ung parang si J.A.R.V.I.S., napaka astig


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-24-17 05:52 PM
^we are made from stars.  ;D

watched all episodes. the evolution part is awesome. our eyes ang pinamakagandang example of evolution.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Kimsmart on 10-24-17 06:18 PM
Hola! Active pa ito?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jhep0t on 10-26-17 11:38 AM
napanuod mo din pla yun? nung una ndi ko magets kung bakit 'we are made from stars' daw. hahaha. hirap ko din tanggapin yung idea ng Big Bang nung ndi q pa nagets ng husto at kung bakit nag come up sa ganung theory yung mga scientist. pati yung concept of evolution binigyan ng linaw.

dami pa magagandang palabas sa NatGeo like yung Brain Games and Genius ni Stephen Hawkings.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-26-17 02:26 PM
^yup. natapos ko yata yung series nyan. pampalipas oras habang pauwi galing sa work. yes it is hard to comprehend the idea of big bang. even scientists may iba-ibang say about big bang. the quantum fluctuation is very hard to understand i guess. ang mga scientists nga may difficulty dyan, ano pa kaya tayo na mga ordinary individuals lang. but i guess understanding the concept is enough to explain things in the simplest possible ways.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 10-26-17 03:49 PM
lalo na kung isipin mong hindi pa nag exist yung Time before big bang.
Even now, na mimindblown pa rin ako pag pumapasok sa isip ko yun. :)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-26-17 04:50 PM
no one can really tell. that is the beauty of science. it assumes 0 until proven 1. religion is the opposite. it assumes 1 until proven 0.
in court, inosente ka hanggat hindi ka napapatunayang may sala. hindi yung tipong may kasalanan ka na agad hanggat hindi mo napapatunayang inosente ka.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 10-26-17 09:39 PM
Sino nakapag-try ng Filipino voice ng google tts?
Pucha nakaka-cringe yung accent nya. Grabe! :rofl:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 10-27-17 04:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 10-26-17 04:50 PM
no one can really tell. that is the beauty of science. it assumes 0 until proven 1. religion is the opposite. it assumes 1 until proven 0.
in court, inosente ka hanggat hindi ka napapatunayang may sala. hindi yung tipong may kasalanan ka na agad hanggat hindi mo napapatunayang inosente ka.

science are not fool-proof ---- proven fact changes over time. hence, current science's fact are disposable on next proof. everyone can be told about that.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 10-28-17 06:50 AM
^ of course dudung you can always challenge the findings if you have. nothing stays forever. even our understanding of life and cosmos changes from time to time depending on the new facts and studies.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jhep0t on 10-28-17 06:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : dodong143 on 10-27-17 04:59 PM
science are not fool-proof ---- proven fact changes over time. hence, current science's fact are disposable on next proof. everyone can be told about that.

well, tama ka. At yan ang maganda sa science, it keeps on seeking kung ano yung pinaka-accurate fact. There are always room for improvements, hindi yung self proclaimed. Sabi nga ni thrown, based on evidence. Kasi kung walang research and studies for example, hindi natin malalaman na hindi si Noah ang unang naisulat na gumawa ng huge Ark in preparation for a great flood. Dahil millenium years earlier before the book of Genesis was written ay naisulat na sa sumerian tablet si Utnapishtim. His story? Almost identical sa story ng "Noah's Ark"


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 10-28-17 08:31 PM
Preach it brad!


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 10-30-17 08:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : jhep0t on 10-28-17 06:27 PM
well, tama ka. At yan ang maganda sa science, it keeps on seeking kung ano yung pinaka-accurate fact. There are always room for improvements, hindi yung self proclaimed. Sabi nga ni thrown, based on evidence. Kasi kung walang research and studies for example, hindi natin malalaman na hindi si Noah ang unang naisulat na gumawa ng huge Ark in preparation for a great flood. Dahil millenium years earlier before the book of Genesis was written ay naisulat na sa sumerian tablet si Utnapishtim. His story? Almost identical sa story ng "Noah's Ark"

science finding about Noah and Utnapishtim <----- are fact today and can be disposable next time.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jhep0t on 10-30-17 05:47 PM
I think its a lot better than being stuck around Mr. Flat Earther ^_^


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: wild_wacky on 10-30-17 06:06 PM
Hayyy lahat ng naniniwala na pinanganak kayu at nag cecelebrate ng birthdays nila  di ka yo agnostic at atheist oh anti christ but pa kayu nag cecelebrate is non belivebers kayu?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: luna_spark on 10-31-17 09:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : wild_wacky on 10-30-17 06:06 PM
Hayyy lahat ng naniniwala na pinanganak kayu at nag cecelebrate ng birthdays nila  di ka yo agnostic at atheist oh anti christ but pa kayu nag cecelebrate is non belivebers kayu?

Mga muslim nga mga believer pero di nagbi birthday..
Nasa trip lang yan. Ako nga kahit di na ako muslim pero di pa din ako nagbi birthday.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 10-31-17 04:47 PM
anong klaseng logic yan wild? :rofl:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: luna_spark on 10-31-17 06:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : Jakerockz13 on 10-31-17 04:47 PM
anong klaseng logic yan wild? :rofl:

Hayaan mo na bro.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 10-31-17 09:08 PM
Ganda basahin ng 'A short history of nearly everything'
kakatapos ko lang
basahin

may mga boring parts(mainly nearly the end, siguro para ma-published kagad) and may mga inaccuracies sa mga sinulat nya, pero overall, maganda sya. recommended ko sa inyo mga ka-heathen!

favorite ko yung tungkol sa astronomy bits, sana pinahaba nya yung parts na yun. :rofl:

kayo may suggestion ba kayo ka-heathen?
non-fiction sana.


basahin nyo rin yung 1984 :wink: ;)



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 10-31-17 11:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : jhep0t on 10-30-17 05:47 PM
I think its a lot better than being stuck around Mr. Flat Earther ^_^

are universe flat or round???



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 11-02-17 08:42 AM
Quote:
Hayyy lahat ng naniniwala na pinanganak kayu at nag cecelebrate ng birthdays nila  di ka yo agnostic at atheist oh anti christ but pa kayu nag cecelebrate is non belivebers kayu?
i really don't get it.  :confused:

Quote:
Ganda basahin ng 'A short history of nearly everything'
kakatapos ko lang
basahin

may mga boring parts(mainly nearly the end, siguro para ma-published kagad) and may mga inaccuracies sa mga sinulat nya, pero overall, maganda sya. recommended ko sa inyo mga ka-heathen!

favorite ko yung tungkol sa astronomy bits, sana pinahaba nya yung parts na yun.

kayo may suggestion ba kayo ka-heathen?
non-fiction sana.


basahin nyo rin yung 1984
not really into books.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jhep0t on 11-02-17 10:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : dodong143 on 10-31-17 11:29 PM
are universe flat or round???

They're also trying to find out.


About naman sa bday celebration. Ayoko talaga magcelebrate kasi nakakainis na everytime na may +1 sa age ko. But when I was a teen ager, excited much ako. Haha. Kaso di maiwasan maghanda kasi nakakahiya sa mga nagaantay ng inuman. Hahahaha


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: luna_spark on 11-02-17 11:43 AM
Upload mo naman sa ebook thread yang sinabi mo jake then pa link na lang dito :) okay ba ?

Shukran.
Jazakallahu khair.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 11-02-17 12:31 PM
Eto brad : ;)

http://dl.pinoyden.com.ph/download/384456-965892/A%20Short%20History%20of%20Nearly%20Everything%20-Bill%20Bryson.epub.zip?imode (http://dl.pinoyden.com.ph/download/384456-965892/A%20Short%20History%20of%20Nearly%20Everything%20-Bill%20Bryson.epub.zip?imode)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: luna_spark on 11-02-17 05:57 PM
Haha pag click ko di naman nag download.
Nakalimutan ko na mansanas pala hawak ko. Bookmark ko na lang to para ma dl ko sa isa ko. :P


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 11-03-17 10:32 PM
Ano sa tingin mo brad mack?
maganda diba? :)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: soultrack on 11-06-17 03:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : wild_wacky on 10-30-17 06:06 PM
Hayyy lahat ng naniniwala na pinanganak kayu at nag cecelebrate ng birthdays nila  di ka yo agnostic at atheist oh anti christ but pa kayu nag cecelebrate is non belivebers kayu?
apprentice ni dodong?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: luna_spark on 11-10-17 12:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : Jakerockz13 on 11-03-17 10:32 PM
Ano sa tingin mo brad mack?
maganda diba? :)

So far di ko pa nababasa kasi iphone gamit ko ehh kaya di ko ma download :)

Naks, nakahanap ako ng way para ma dl. Using aloha browser then inimport ko sa iBook. Thanks jake basahin ko ito kahit may kunting problema ako sa pag intindi ng english.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-11-17 06:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : wild_wacky on 10-30-17 06:06 PM
Hayyy lahat ng naniniwala na pinanganak kayu at nag cecelebrate ng birthdays nila  di ka yo agnostic at atheist oh anti christ but pa kayu nag cecelebrate is non belivebers kayu?
Sorry, dude but I don't celebrate my birthday. Besides being born is just a genetic accident. Nobody ask for it and it has totally nothing to do with what you believe.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: salute on 11-11-17 08:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : wild_wacky on 10-30-17 06:06 PM
Hayyy lahat ng naniniwala na pinanganak kayu at nag cecelebrate ng birthdays nila  di ka yo agnostic at atheist oh anti christ but pa kayu nag cecelebrate is non belivebers kayu?
hmm pagpapakasal pag punta ng sementeryo sa araw ng undas at marami pa diba? Usapang pananmpalataya din ito diba?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 11-11-17 03:00 PM
^nope marriage is not a religious act.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-13-17 11:39 PM
Anyone watched the video of Sass Sasot verbally assaulting the head of BBC Jonathan Head during the ASEAN Summit? Sobrang nakakahiya yung ginawa n'ya. And seeing Mocha Uson just stand there watching Sass lash out like a ten year old? Kahihiyan!

At bakit nasa ASEAN ang mga yan? What are their roles there? The ASEAN should be about diplomatic ties and good relations between nations but they just made it about themselves especially Sass. What a disgrace.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 11-14-17 02:52 AM
Fame whores are not really after positive reactions. All they want is to call attention to themselves.

Super cringe inducing yung clip grabe!

#PINOY PRIDE DUTERTE FTW! ! ! /s

Pathetic.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-14-17 04:26 AM
She's frustrated that BBC interviewed PAB instead of her when compared to PAB she has lots of followers & engagements. She's appealing to popularity by basing the qualification of getting an invite for an interview sa dami ng followers at engagments.

Last year and by mid of this year lang she's branding the international media as destablizers. And now she's begging for an interview from BBC? Kadiri!


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 11-14-17 06:43 AM
^haven't seen the video but read the news about it.

somehow disappointed with these supporters actually. we'll i dont about media stuff but if it is true na may mga "under" the table mechanisms why PAB was interviewed, maybe huwag na lang ipakita ang pagiging bitter. they can do whatever they want sa mga blogs nila. pro and anti duterte bloggers are dancing on the same tune. unahan lang talaga kung sino ang makakapwesto on the offensive side.



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-14-17 10:15 AM
She's furious because BBC interviewed PAB instead of her who has a huge followers & engagement. Minor blogger lang daw si PAB but managed to get interviewed by BBC. As far as my memory serves me right Mocha too got an interview with BBC before election for being a staunch supporter of the President. Hindi ba nila yon naaalala?

By saying that there's a bigger hand within BBC & PAB is jumping to conclusion. Sass is frustrated on why BBC didn't also get her side or their side about the issue pero silang mga DDS bloggers such as Uson & Nieto don't even ask for the side of the people they attack.

Hindi na to about DDS bloggers vs Yellow bloggers. Taena kung yung pera nang taong-bayan e nawawaldas ibang usapan na yon. ASEAN yon tapos andon sila Sass at Nieto? Anong role nila doon? Sino nagpondo sa kanila para mapabilang sa ASEAN 2017?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 11-14-17 07:29 PM
Baka sabihin nanaman nila kagagawan ng  Yellowmati toh! :rofl:

Tanda nyo pa toh?
(https://i.redd.it/ts1flegtorxz.jpg)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: hanudaw14 on 11-15-17 03:42 AM
well i like sass confronting that biased BBC news caster. he deserved it.. hindi porket BBC news caster eh dapat ng respetuhin, sila nga walang respeto sa profession nila. biased to the highest level :rofl:

askman hindi trabaho ng bloggers kumuha ng side ng mga taong sinisiraan nila. bloggers sila hindi media..

jake mali yang meme mo.. doesnt mean na balaan mo huwag manira ang international media sa bansa natin (siguro sayo ok lang masira bansa mo), eh hindi narin pwede mainterview ka nila. kung magreport sila dapat backup with facts.


back to sass, ang msg lang man siguro ni sass dapat patas ang media. nagplay victim kase yung jover na yun nung nabuking siya. at pinapalabas niya sa interviewed nya sa bbc na inaapi at nilalait siya ng mga DDS trolls. nakalimutan ng jover na yun grabe niya rin nilait si sass at sinabihan pa na pokpok daw at pinublic pa yung address niya sa holland.  tapos ni hindi man lang kinuha side niya..


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-15-17 05:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-15-17 03:42 AM
well i like sass confronting that biased BBC news caster. he deserved it.. hindi porket BBC news caster eh dapat ng respetuhin, sila nga walang respeto sa profession nila. biased to the highest level :rofl:

Saying that BBC is biased require proof. Do you have proof to support? Kung biased ang BBC bakit in-interview nila si Mocha dati?

Quote:
Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-15-17 03:42 AM
askman hindi trabaho ng bloggers kumuha ng side ng mga taong sinisiraan nila. bloggers sila hindi media..

Are you serious? So kahit sino pwede nilang siraan? What if maling information ang nilabas nila then nasira reputasyon at buhay nung taong sinisiraan nila? Since bloggers sila wala sila accountability at pananagutan? Ganon ba yon? Anong katangahan yan?

Quote:
Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-15-17 03:42 AM
back to sass, ang msg lang man siguro ni sass dapat patas ang media. nagplay victim kase yung jover na yun nung nabuking siya. at pinapalabas niya sa interviewed nya sa bbc na inaapi at nilalait siya ng mga DDS trolls. nakalimutan ng jover na yun grabe niya rin nilait si sass at sinabihan pa na pokpok daw at pinublic pa yung address niya sa holland.  tapos ni hindi man lang kinuha side niya..

Can we also apply the same logic to PAB? Blogger din si Jover di'ba? So if we follow your logic there's no need for her na hingin side ng mga inaatake n'ya? Ganon? Same goes apply sa iba pang anti-Duterte bloggers like Juan Nationalist, Change Scamming, Madam Claudia at SilentNoMore.

Di mo ba na-realized na sila nagpasikat kay PAB when they start to exposed her? Anonymous yung identity n'ya then in-exposed nila kaya ayun lalo sumikat.

At dapat ba patas ang media? Di ba patas yung pag-interview ng BBC kay Mocha dati?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: haunted16 on 11-15-17 07:46 AM
Padaan lang :)
Observe ko lang usapan nyo about politics ;)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 11-15-17 12:18 PM
the way i see it seems na nagkakaroon ng division ang mga pro-Duterte bloggers. its like in a classroom madami kayo magkakaklase pero iba-iba ng group. ganun din tong mga pro-Duterte bloggers. para tuloy nagsiself-destruct sila sa mga ginagawa nila ngayon.

Nieto vs Contreras
Orion vs Bobi Tiglao
Sass vs Bruce
Saa vs WAC

and a lot more.

while the anti-Duterte bloggers are intact (i think). wala akong nakikitang nag aaway-away sa side nila.



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 11-15-17 12:38 PM
First of all, kasi mali na yung sinasaydyan nila eh. :rofl:


sooner or later, ultimately,inevitably, it'll eventually self-destruct. :laugh:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: hanudaw14 on 11-15-17 06:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : Askman on 11-15-17 05:55 AM
Saying that BBC is biased require proof. Do you have proof to support? Kung biased ang BBC bakit in-interview nila si Mocha dati?

Are you serious? So kahit sino pwede nilang siraan? What if maling information ang nilabas nila then nasira reputasyon at buhay nung taong sinisiraan nila? Since bloggers sila wala sila accountability at pananagutan? Ganon ba yon? Anong katangahan yan?

Can we also apply the same logic to PAB? Blogger din si Jover di'ba? So if we follow your logic there's no need for her na hingin side ng mga inaatake n'ya? Ganon? Same goes apply sa iba pang anti-Duterte bloggers like Juan Nationalist, Change Scamming, Madam Claudia at SilentNoMore.

Di mo ba na-realized na sila nagpasikat kay PAB when they start to exposed her? Anonymous yung identity n'ya then in-exposed nila kaya ayun lalo sumikat.

At dapat ba patas ang media? Di ba patas yung pag-interview ng BBC kay Mocha dati?


-proof??! si sass nalang ang proof ko.. since sila nagbabalita dapat kunin nila lahat ng panig. para hindi magmukha dehado ang kabilang kampo. :)

-lol opinion nila ang pinopost nila sa mga blogs nila. nasa iyo na yun kung maniwala ka o hindi. atleast sila kahit magpost sila ng mga atake nila pwede silang habulin dahil hindi sila anonymous. tignan mo si mocha at TP kinasuhan na ng libel.hahaha.. :rofl: unlike anti na tago ng tago at wagas kung makalait(same goes to pro) pero nung nabisto nag aktong victima kuno. yan ang kaibahan nila..

-uh?? ang sabi ko dapat balance magreport ang media kunin both side. hindi si jover o yung ibang blog ang kukuha ng both story. magsiraan sila kung dun sila masaya.. :rofl:

-uh??? dati na sikat PAB dahil sa mga wagas na tirada niya sa kabilang kampo. binunyag lang nila TP at sass ang totoong tao sa likod ni PAB at yun bigla nagkainterview sa BBC,rappler and play like a victim at natatakot na raw siya sa buhay niya. lol.. nung anonymous pa siya sinu sino inaapakan niya at sinabihan nya pa na pangit daw yung asec sa dswd ba yun. forgot her name.. siya pala itong mukhang ogre.hahaha..

back to BBC vs Sass! dapat lang maging matapang tayo sa mga media na nagkakalat ng biased na report!(hindi ko sinasabi na dapat mabango lang ireport nila) dapat backup pan nila ng Facts.. :) hindi yun maglalabas kalang ng 14k EJK victims ni hindi alam kung san galing yung basis nila. kaya mas marami na naniniwala sa mga bloggers tulad nila mocha,tp,sass and etc para makarinig o makabaasa ng news sa administration.

sabi nga ni sass mas mahalagang news pa ang paglabas ni jover kesa FIO at Free tuition na bago lang iprobahan ng government.hahaha..


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-16-17 03:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-15-17 06:39 PM
-proof??! si sass nalang ang proof ko.. since sila nagbabalita dapat kunin nila lahat ng panig. para hindi magmukha dehado ang kabilang kampo. :)

Have you read the latest post of Jover regarding her interview with BBC? She provided screenshot of the invitation and message of BBC to her and guess what? It was never about her and Sass, it was about her blog.  So why do they need to ask for Sass when the interview isn't about between their quibble?

Quote:
Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-15-17 06:39 PM
-lol opinion nila ang pinopost nila sa mga blogs nila. nasa iyo na yun kung maniwala ka o hindi. atleast sila kahit magpost sila ng mga atake nila pwede silang habulin dahil hindi sila anonymous. tignan mo si mocha at TP kinasuhan na ng libel.hahaha.. :rofl: unlike anti na tago ng tago at wagas kung makalait(same goes to pro) pero nung nabisto nag aktong victima kuno. yan ang kaibahan nila.

As if walang kaakibat na responsibilidad ang pagkakaroon ng kalayaan na maghayag ng opinyon? May kalayaan ka ihayag opinyon mo pero hindi ka malaya sa epektong matatanggap mo. Pantanga lang yung dahilan na pwede mo sabihin opinyon mo wether katagahan yon o hindi at bahala na sila maniwala. Pantanga lang yung dahilan na pwede mo sabihin lahat ng gusto mong sabihin while expecting na wala yong consequences.

Hindi ka nga anonymous, kita nga mukha mo sa mga post mo pero puro katangahan naman pinagpo-post mo. Pwede mo nga silang habulin but the question is will they be accountable on what they post on their blog? Last time I look when you criticize them they will just block you right away, like for example Mocha Uson. She keeps saying she don't want to argue but keep posting katangahan in her page. I've been blocked by her twice already.

So when you say pwede mo silang habulin well I don't think so.

Quote:
Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-15-17 06:39 PM
-uh?? ang sabi ko dapat balance magreport ang media kunin both side. hindi si jover o yung ibang blog ang kukuha ng both story. magsiraan sila kung dun sila masaya.. :rofl:

You want both sides when in fact and again the interview isn't about the quibbles between pro and anti duterte bloggers. It's about Jover's blog.

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Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-15-17 06:39 PM
-uh??? dati na sikat PAB dahil sa mga wagas na tirada niya sa kabilang kampo. binunyag lang nila TP at sass ang totoong tao sa likod ni PAB at yun bigla nagkainterview sa BBC,rappler and play like a victim at natatakot na raw siya sa buhay niya. lol.. nung anonymous pa siya sinu sino inaapakan niya at sinabihan nya pa na pangit daw yung asec sa dswd ba yun. forgot her name.. siya pala itong mukhang ogre.hahaha.

February 2017 lang nagawa ang PAB so anong pinagsasasabi mong sikat ang PAB? Ang page ni Sass at TP since last election at before 2016 election pa nandyan. Alam mo ba talaga sinasabi mo?

As for the mudslinging between her and DSWD Asst. Secretary turned PCOO Spokesperson Lorraine Badoy. Can't blame Jover since Badoy was the one who threw the mud first. Jover was just fighting back.

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Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-15-17 06:39 PM
back to BBC vs Sass! dapat lang maging matapang tayo sa mga media na nagkakalat ng biased na report!(hindi ko sinasabi na dapat mabango lang ireport nila) dapat backup pan nila ng Facts.. :) hindi yun maglalabas kalang ng 14k EJK victims ni hindi alam kung san galing yung basis nila. kaya mas marami na naniniwala sa mga bloggers tulad nila mocha,tp,sass and etc para makarinig o makabaasa ng news sa administration.

sabi nga ni sass mas mahalagang news pa ang paglabas ni jover kesa FIO at Free tuition na bago lang iprobahan ng government.hahaha..

For the sake of argument even if you'd say na mas mababa sa 14k ang EJK victims would it make a difference? The fact na merong EJK victims it tells us that the government is sh*t and incompetent.

Mas marami naniniwala kay Mocha, Thinking Pinoy at Sass dahil maraming ignoranteng pilipino. Si Mocha ilang beses nang pumalya yan sa pagpo-post sa page n'ya but never ako nakakita ng kahit isang issuance of apology. Same goes for TP.

Naging mahalagang news lang ang paglabas ni Jover due to their doxing. Nagtakaga ka bakit naging mahalagang news e sila nagkalat? Anonymous yung tao tapos nung kinalat nila identity then magtataka sila bakit lalong sumikat?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: hanudaw14 on 11-16-17 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by : Askman on 11-16-17 03:51 AM
Have you read the latest post of Jover regarding her interview with BBC? She provided screenshot of the invitation and message of BBC to her and guess what? It was never about her and Sass, it was about her blog.  So why do they need to ask for Sass when the interview isn't about between their quibble?

As if walang kaakibat na responsibilidad ang pagkakaroon ng kalayaan na maghayag ng opinyon? May kalayaan ka ihayag opinyon mo pero hindi ka malaya sa epektong matatanggap mo. Pantanga lang yung dahilan na pwede mo sabihin opinyon mo wether katagahan yon o hindi at bahala na sila maniwala. Pantanga lang yung dahilan na pwede mo sabihin lahat ng gusto mong sabihin while expecting na wala yong consequences.

Hindi ka nga anonymous, kita nga mukha mo sa mga post mo pero puro katangahan naman pinagpo-post mo. Pwede mo nga silang habulin but the question is will they be accountable on what they post on their blog? Last time I look when you criticize them they will just block you right away, like for example Mocha Uson. She keeps saying she don't want to argue but keep posting katangahan in her page. I've been blocked by her twice already.

So when you say pwede mo silang habulin well I don't think so.

You want both sides when in fact and again the interview isn't about the quibbles between pro and anti duterte bloggers. It's about Jover's blog.

February 2017 lang nagawa ang PAB so anong pinagsasasabi mong sikat ang PAB? Ang page ni Sass at TP since last election at before 2016 election pa nandyan. Alam mo ba talaga sinasabi mo?

As for the mudslinging between her and DSWD Asst. Secretary turned PCOO Spokesperson Lorraine Badoy. Can't blame Jover since Badoy was the one who threw the mud first. Jover was just fighting back.

For the sake of argument even if you'd say na mas mababa sa 14k ang EJK victims would it make a difference? The fact na merong EJK victims it tells us that the government is sh*t and incompetent.

Mas marami naniniwala kay Mocha, Thinking Pinoy at Sass dahil maraming ignoranteng pilipino. Si Mocha ilang beses nang pumalya yan sa pagpo-post sa page n'ya but never ako nakakita ng kahit isang issuance of apology. Same goes for TP.

Naging mahalagang news lang ang paglabas ni Jover due to their doxing. Nagtakaga ka bakit naging mahalagang news e sila nagkalat? Anonymous yung tao tapos nung kinalat nila identity then magtataka sila bakit lalong sumikat?


-lol about pala sa blog nya.. den bakit siya natatakot para sa buhay niya? dahil ba puro Katangahan,kasinungalingan at kademonyohan ang pinagpopost niya sa mga inaatake niya? sa korte nalang siya magpaliwanag..hahaha

-tanong lang yung pinagpopost ni PAB and her likes hindi ba katangahan??yes or no
na blocked ka ni mocha,so sad naman. ako kase hindi ako follower ng blog niya kase tulad ng sabi mo puro katangahan pinagpopost niya(pero ifollow sass,tp,krizette and others that thier posts make sense for me).
hindi mo ba nabalitaan na kinasuhan na si mocha at tp ng libel ni trillianes?

-again sa korte nalang magpaliwanag si jover dun siya magplay victim card. :rofl:

-feb 2017 is long time already for me.. dahil sa katangahan at pambababoy niya sa mga atake niya kaya siya sumikat. anyway sa korte nalang siya magpaliwanag. :rofl:

-luh?? naniniwala ka na may EJK? sinabi na nga government walang EJK.. diba? and ayun sa mga post mo galit ka sa pinagpopost nila mocha,tp at sass na puro katangahan. pero ikaw naniniwala ka na may EJK na pinagkakalat ng mga kalaban ng admin.hmmm...
pinagkalat pa nga ni leni diba sa international news. with matching makeup at nakangiti. hangang ngayon wala parin maipakitang proof sa mga akusasyon nila.
yung pagiging ignorante ba ay pagfollow lang sa mga pro admin blog o same goes sa anti admin blog? :hmmm:

diba ganyan din ginawa nila kay tp.. kaya si TP ngayon hindi na anonymous. pero sa paglabas ni tp ni hindi man lang ininterview ni jonathan(BBC). samantalang si Jover the ogre.. wow nagplay victim card. kaya sa korte nalang siya magpaliwanag.


si jonathan ng BBC ay dapat respetuhin!


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-17-17 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-16-17 06:29 PM
lol about pala sa blog nya.. den bakit siya natatakot para sa buhay niya? dahil ba puro Katangahan,kasinungalingan at kademonyohan ang pinagpopost niya sa mga inaatake niya? sa korte nalang siya magpaliwanag..hahaha

Is this sh*t even a question? They exposed her by doxing her. So trolls attack her and send death threats to her. Common sense?

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Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-16-17 06:29 PM
-tanong lang yung pinagpopost ni PAB and her likes hindi ba katangahan?? yes or no
na blocked ka ni mocha,so sad naman. ako kase hindi ako follower ng blog niya kase tulad ng sabi mo puro katangahan pinagpopost niya(pero ifollow sass,tp,krizette and others that thier posts make sense for me).
hindi mo ba nabalitaan na kinasuhan na si mocha at tp ng libel ni trillianes?

Katangahan pinagpo-post ni PAB? When she post in her blog, a resibo is always included. Familiar with the "resibo culture"? It contains screenshots and evidence of people before she post something and it's not an edited screenshots just in case. You can go to her blog if you'd like to see.

FYI you don't need to be a follower of Mocha in order for her to block you. I'm not a follower either but I got blocked both in facebook & twitter that's because Mocha can't accept even the simplest form of criticism.

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Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-16-17 06:29 PM
-again sa korte nalang magpaliwanag si jover dun siya mag-play victim card. :rofl:

-feb 2017 is long time already for me.. dahil sa katangahan at pambababoy niya sa mga atake niya kaya siya sumikat. anyway sa korte nalang siya magpaliwanag. :rofl:

You can't deny that the doxing part or yung pagkalat nila ng identity n'ya is lalong nagpasikat sa kanya. So either way sila rin may kasalanan kung bakit ngayon mas lalong sumikat ang PAB.

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Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-16-17 06:29 PM
-luh?? naniniwala ka na may EJK? sinabi na nga government walang EJK.. diba? and ayun sa mga post mo galit ka sa pinagpopost nila mocha,tp at sass na puro katangahan. pero ikaw naniniwala ka na may EJK na pinagkakalat ng mga kalaban ng admin.hmmm...
pinagkalat pa nga ni leni diba sa international news. with matching makeup at nakangiti. hangang ngayon wala parin maipakitang proof sa mga akusasyon nila.
yung pagiging ignorante ba ay pagfollow lang sa mga pro admin blog o same goes sa anti admin blog? :hmmm:
After all the patayan na nangyayari sa lipunan? Since naupo si Digong tumaas ang crime rate na related sa drugs especially mga barilan. Sino ba nagsabi na pagpapatayin ang mga drug addict? Then ang daming nagkandamatayan na adik after that?

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Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-16-17 06:29 PM
diba ganyan din ginawa nila kay tp.. kaya si TP ngayon hindi na anonymous. pero sa paglabas ni tp ni hindi man lang ininterview ni jonathan(BBC). samantalang si Jover the ogre.. wow nagplay victim card. kaya sa korte nalang siya magpaliwanag.
That's because he's not relevant during that time but Mocha was. BBC interviewed Mocha that time because she's relevant during those days. Same applies with Jover, she's relevant now so she managed to have an interview with an international media network.

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Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-16-17 06:29 PM
si jonathan ng BBC ay dapat respetuhin!

I didn't ask you to respect the dude.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: hanudaw14 on 11-17-17 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by : Askman on 11-17-17 02:54 AM
Is this sh*t even a question? They exposed her by doxing her. So trolls attack her and send death threats to her. Common sense?

Katangahan pinagpo-post ni PAB? When she post in her blog, a resibo is always included. Familiar with the "resibo culture"? It contains screenshots and evidence of people before she post something and it's not an edited screenshots just in case. You can go to her blog if you'd like to see.

FYI you don't need to be a follower of Mocha in order for her to block you. I'm not a follower either but I got blocked both in facebook & twitter that's because Mocha can't accept even the simplest form of criticism.

You can't deny that the doxing part or yung pagkalat nila ng identity n'ya is lalong nagpasikat sa kanya. So either way sila rin may kasalanan kung bakit ngayon mas lalong sumikat ang PAB.
After all the patayan na nangyayari sa lipunan? Since naupo si Digong tumaas ang crime rate na related sa drugs especially mga barilan. Sino ba nagsabi na pagpapatayin ang mga drug addict? Then ang daming nagkandamatayan na adik after that?
That's because he's not relevant during that time but Mocha was. BBC interviewed Mocha that time because she's relevant during those days. Same applies with Jover, she's relevant now so she managed to have an interview with an international media network.

I didn't ask you to respect the dude.


-hahahaha.. :rofl: u dodge all my query, dis is leading to no where. i rest my case magpaliwanag nalang yang jover mo sa korte.

- sa tingin mo bakit mas marami namamatay na adik ngayon? :rofl: (sori kung natatawa ako)

Pduts naglilinis lang at malinaw ang utos sa mga pulis. pag nanlaban ang kalaban hindi naman pwede magmegaphone nalang ang pulis.hahaha.. (well i am not denying na may mga rogue cops na naglilinis at sinasamantala din nila ang WOD) but the gud thing is hinahabol na sila ngayon.


tumaas ang crime rate??? san mo nakuha yang balita? :curious:

http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/02/13/17/philippines-crime-rate-falls-13-percent-in-2016 (http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/02/13/17/philippines-crime-rate-falls-13-percent-in-2016)

http://m.inquirer.net/newsinfo/884205 (http://m.inquirer.net/newsinfo/884205)

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/nation/616449/pnp-data-shows-number-of-crimes-down-10-percent/story/ (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/nation/616449/pnp-data-shows-number-of-crimes-down-10-percent/story/)

-sino ngayon ang paniniwalaan ko? ikaw or yang tatlong links..

-curious lang ako bakit ka nahihiya sa ginawa ni sass dun sa white A.hole? since hindi naman siya representative ng bansa..


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-18-17 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-17-17 12:12 PM
-hahahaha.. :rofl: u dodge all my query, dis is leading to no where. i rest my case magpaliwanag nalang yang jover mo sa korte.


Okay.

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Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-17-17 12:12 PM
- sa tingin mo bakit mas marami namamatay na adik ngayon? :rofl: (sori kung natatawa ako)


Dahil galit sa adik si Tatay Digz na ang tingin n'ya ang MAIN problem ng bansa ay drugs whereas the drug problem only stems from corruption & poverty which are the main problems of the country?

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Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-17-17 12:12 PM
Pduts naglilinis lang at malinaw ang utos sa mga pulis. pag nanlaban ang kalaban hindi naman pwede magmegaphone nalang ang pulis.hahaha.. (well i am not denying na may mga rogue cops na naglilinis at sinasamantala din nila ang WOD) but the gud thing is hinahabol na sila ngayon.


I have no problem with policemen neutralizing (not killing) assailants for self-defense. Besides policemen are trained to neutralize assailants. not kill them. Killing them should be on the last of their list. But as you can see since Duterte took position thousands has already been killed in this drug war.

So question is sa dami nang pinatay nila, lahat ba yon nanlaban at lahat ba yon sure na mga kriminal?

I get it that the drug problem is very serious but look at the numbers. Thousands of drug addicts/users has been killed. These are users, not suppliers. If they want to completely eradicate the drug problem they have to target all the suppliers instead. Drug abuse won't stop as long as someone is supplying these people. Simple law of supply & demand.

For example yung 6.4 billion worth of shabu na nasakote sa BOC na galing China. Hindi mga drug addicts/users ang may pakana nyan. Mga suppliers ang nag-aangkat nang ganyan kadaming droga.

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Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-17-17 12:12 PM
tumaas ang crime rate??? san mo nakuha yang balita? :curious:

[url]http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/02/13/17/philippines-crime-rate-falls-13-percent-in-2016[/url] ([url]http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/02/13/17/philippines-crime-rate-falls-13-percent-in-2016[/url])

[url]http://m.inquirer.net/newsinfo/884205[/url] ([url]http://m.inquirer.net/newsinfo/884205[/url])

[url]http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/nation/616449/pnp-data-shows-number-of-crimes-down-10-percent/story/[/url] ([url]http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/nation/616449/pnp-data-shows-number-of-crimes-down-10-percent/story/[/url])

-sino ngayon ang paniniwalaan ko? ikaw or yang tatlong links..


I believe I was specifc when I said "especially drug related crime like "barilan/patayan". As far as I can see hindi bumababa ang kaso ng patayan or murder in those links that you provided. So it tells us something.

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Originally Posted by : hanudaw14 on 11-17-17 12:12 PM
-curious lang ako bakit ka nahihiya sa ginawa ni sass dun sa white A.hole? since hindi naman siya representative ng bansa..


Probably because he was a guest in the ASEAN just like everybody else?

Bakit ako nahihiya sa ginawa ni Sass? Probably because the ASEAN is not the appropriate venue para mang-away ka at manigaw at manduro nang isang tao?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 11-18-17 06:51 AM
woah hold your horses!

this thread is getting political. easy lang. politics is just like religion. bawat kampo nagki-claim na sila ang tama.

minsan ayoko na nga makakita ng newsfeed ko kasi andaming negative news and negative vibes lalo na sa anti vs pro duterte.



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-18-17 08:45 AM
I'm cool here. Nothing to worry.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: salute on 11-18-17 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-18-17 06:51 AM
woah hold your horses!

this thread is getting political. easy lang. politics is just like religion. bawat kampo nagki-claim na sila ang tama.

minsan ayoko na nga makakita ng newsfeed ko kasi andaming negative news and negative vibes lalo na sa anti vs pro duterte.
hehe ano kaya interesting na pag usapan para sa iyo otor? :)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: fabbriche on 11-18-17 01:46 PM
Murder rate ang tumataas ng 50% pero bumaba overall ang crime rate ng 30%. Ang murder ay isang uri ng crime. Kumonti ang mga kaso ng theft, homicide, carjacking, robbery. Pero lumobo ang mga kaso ng murder.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-18-17 03:01 PM
That's what I said, fabbriche.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 11-18-17 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-18-17 06:51 AM

this thread is getting political. easy lang. politics is just like religion. bawat kampo nagki-claim na sila ang tama.



politics is more like an atheism --- they never want religions interference.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jhep0t on 11-19-17 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by : dodong143 on 11-18-17 04:29 PM
politics is more like an atheism --- they never want religions interference.

Pero madami mga pulitiko lumalapit sa mga religous/sect leaders pag malapit na election. hahahaha


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-19-17 03:16 PM
Para maiba usapan... Have you guys watched the Justice League? What can you say about it?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: grimangel on 11-19-17 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by : Askman on 11-11-17 06:27 AM
Sorry, dude but I don't celebrate my birthday. Besides being born is just a genetic accident. Nobody ask for it and it has totally nothing to do with what you believe.
Patalastas muna :haha:
Sus kuripot ka lang yatang manlibre or magpainom sa barkada eh hahaha! :lmfao:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-19-17 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by : grimangel on 11-19-17 07:55 PM
Patalastas muna :haha:
Sus kuripot ka lang yatang manlibre or magpainom sa barkada eh hahaha! :lmfao:
Bihira lang ako manlibre saka bihira din ako uminom. Di ko lang ma-gets bakit kailangan i-celebrate yung ganyang occasion.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: grimangel on 11-19-17 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by : Askman on 11-19-17 08:17 PM
Bihira lang ako manlibre saka bihira din ako uminom. Di ko lang ma-gets bakit kailangan i-celebrate yung ganyang occasion.
Kuripot nga :haha:
Kasi in my opinion occasion nga tulad ng wedding, fiesta, etc. para magkasiyahan. Parang dapat eh magsaya ka kasi ito yung umpisa ng araw na naranasan mo ang buhay. Eh di boring naman ang bawat birthday mo pre, wala ka man lang ba ka-bonding? Wala bang nakakaalam kung masarap magluto ang nanay mo ng pancit :-)?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-20-17 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by : grimangel on 11-19-17 09:45 PM
Kuripot nga :haha:
Kasi in my opinion occasion nga tulad ng wedding, fiesta, etc. para magkasiyahan. Parang dapat eh magsaya ka kasi ito yung umpisa ng araw na naranasan mo ang buhay. Eh di boring naman ang bawat birthday mo pre, wala ka man lang ba ka-bonding? Wala bang nakakaalam kung masarap magluto ang nanay mo ng pancit :-)?

What's with this assumption that since you don't celebrate your birthday more often than usual e "kuripot" ka na agad? You do realized that when you say "in my opinion" that means it is not a fact as general?

It's just that iba-iba tayo ng preference on how to enjoy or celebrate your birthday or an important occasion. Just because you like to celebrate your birthday in way na nagpapainom ka or nanlilibre ka or nagsasaya ka it doesn't mean dapat ganun an din ang iba. It's subjective. What's boring for you can be enjoying to me and vice versa.

Celebrating the day you were born is not a necessity of life. Others were born in an awful situation, yung iniwan na lang ng mga magulang sa kalsada at pinabayaan. How can you suppose to tell these people to enjoy a life that they didn't ask only live to suffer? You'd tell them their life is boring?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 11-20-17 08:19 AM
i also dont celebrate my birthday...lately. wala lang tinatamad lang ako. and i don't care if people will say that my life is boring. yeah my brother tells me that hehe.

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Murder rate ang tumataas ng 50% pero bumaba overall ang crime rate ng 30%. Ang murder ay isang uri ng crime. Kumonti ang mga kaso ng theft, homicide, carjacking, robbery. Pero lumobo ang mga kaso ng murder.
maybe because those thieves, carjackers, robbers got murdered. :lol:

sorry guys but there's a feeling in me na i would want to see dead criminals before they get to ruin someones precious life. hear the latest news about a bank teller na na rape and sinunog? damn qiqil mo c acoe. kawawa yung bata. kapag napatunayan kung sino man ang may gawa nyan dapat ibitin ng patiwarik eh. 


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: grimangel on 11-20-17 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by : Askman on 11-20-17 12:28 AM
What's with this assumption that since you don't celebrate your birthday more often than usual e "kuripot" ka na agad? You do realized that when you say "in my opinion" that means it is not a fact as general?

It's just that iba-iba tayo ng preference on how to enjoy or celebrate your birthday or an important occasion. Just because you like to celebrate your birthday in way na nagpapainom ka or nanlilibre ka or nagsasaya ka it doesn't mean dapat ganun an din ang iba. It's subjective. What's boring for you can be enjoying to me and vice versa.

Celebrating the day you were born is not a necessity of life. Others were born in an awful situation, yung iniwan na lang ng mga magulang sa kalsada at pinabayaan. How can you suppose to tell these people to enjoy a life that they didn't ask only live to suffer? You'd tell them their life is boring?
Sige kung killjoy ka sa mismong birthday mo at ayaw mo maki-jamming its up to you.
About sa pinanganak na miserable, life goes on, its their starting point in that situation. Its either they will fight back in life or stay flat on the ground. Hindi naman forever miserable ang tingin nila sa kanilang birthday. Kung isa sa kanila ay magiging successful someday dahil lumaban sila sa buhay at maraming natulungan or may nasagip na buhay, and bawat birthday nya binibigyan siya ng regalo or party bilang as a type of thanksgiving dahil sa tulong nya. Dont you think hindi ba siya magiging happy non?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-20-17 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-20-17 08:19 AM
sorry guys but there's a feeling in me na i would want to see dead criminals before they get to ruin someones precious life. hear the latest news about a bank teller na na rape and sinunog? damn qiqil mo c acoe. kawawa yung bata. kapag napatunayan kung sino man ang may gawa nyan dapat ibitin ng patiwarik eh.

Would want to see criminals dead too. The only difference is we have to be sure first that who we're going to kill are "indeed" criminals.

In the type of government we have where bulok ang sistema ng hustisya. Maraming mamamatay na inosente by just branding them as criminals without undergoing due process. Remember yung mga pinatay at nilagyan ng karatula na "Wag tularan, adik/kriminal ako."? That can happen to anyone even you. Itumba ma then lagyan ka karatulang ganyan then you are an instant kriminal kahit hindi naman. And since you are already dead wala ka nang chance na depensahan ang sarili mo by proving your innocence.

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Originally Posted by : grimangel on 11-20-17 09:02 AM
Sige kung killjoy ka sa mismong birthday mo at ayaw mo maki-jamming its up to you.
About sa pinanganak na miserable, life goes on, its their starting point in that situation. Its either they will fight back in life or stay flat on the ground. Hindi naman forever miserable ang tingin nila sa kanilang birthday. Kung isa sa kanila ay magiging successful someday dahil lumaban sila sa buhay at maraming natulungan or may nasagip na buhay, and bawat birthday nya binibigyan siya ng regalo or party bilang as a type of thanksgiving dahil sa tulong nya. Dont you think hindi ba siya magiging happy non?

Ngayon naman killjoy. When will this assumption stops?

I'm just saying iba-iba tayo ng sense of enjoyment. You can't just say killjoy, kuripot, or boring yung isa tao just because iba ang sense of enjoyment n'ya sa'yo. Besides meron bang universal rule regarding enjoyment na dapat sundin nang lahat? Wala.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 11-20-17 12:22 PM
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Would want to see criminals dead too. The only difference is we have to be sure first that who we're going to kill are "indeed" criminals.

In the type of government we have where bulok ang sistema ng hustisya. Maraming mamamatay na inosente by just branding them as criminals without undergoing due process. Remember yung mga pinatay at nilagyan ng karatula na "Wag tularan, adik/kriminal ako."? That can happen to anyone even you. Itumba ma then lagyan ka karatulang ganyan then you are an instant kriminal kahit hindi naman. And since you are already dead wala ka nang chance na depensahan ang sarili mo by proving your innocence.
yes our justice system somehow is no good. that is why criminals also get the full shield of the system by delaying tactics. but i don't believe that the government is entirely behind those killings. matagal na yang ganyan eh. even in the past administrations may mga ganyan na. it is not exclusive. if you think that maybe the government is behind those killings then would it also be possible that syndicates are doing the cleansing on their herd? pwede di ba? meron din tlagang mga pasaway na pulis and they should be put to jail. amplified lang talaga ngayon because of the war on drugs.

Yes it can happen to anyone, even on my self. i can be shot dead. but the possibility is near zero i think. yung lugar kasi namin is not a hotspot. im living and working in south luzon. once in a while pumupunta ako ng manila for some deals. you know what mas natatakot pa akong maglakad even in broad daylight sa manila kesa ang maglakad ng gabi sa lugar namin. mas mataas pa yata ang possibility na maholdup ako or manakawan kesa sa ang mapagkamalan.

actually napapamura din talaga ako kapag nakikita ko sa balita na meron na namang nanlaban diumano kaya napatay. it seems na tong mga g@g**g pulis ay gumagawa lang alibi para makakalabit ng gatilyo. so they have to be very extra careful during operations. kaya nga ung proposal na body cam is a nice thing sana. but i think ngayon nasa PDEA na ang war on drugs.     


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: salute on 11-20-17 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by : Askman on 11-19-17 08:17 PM
Bihira lang ako manlibre saka bihira din ako uminom. Di ko lang ma-gets bakit kailangan i-celebrate yung ganyang occasion.
misan kasi ang okasyong ganito.  ito na ang ginagamit na pagkakataon para makasama ang mga mahal sa buhay ang mga taong napapasaya sa iyo.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 11-20-17 04:40 PM
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misan kasi ang okasyong ganito.  ito na ang ginagamit na pagkakataon para makasama ang mga mahal sa buhay ang mga taong napapasaya sa iyo.
of course alam ni Askman yan but he chose not to celebrate. in that way sya nag ienjoy. hindi natin pwedeng i-impose yung mga bagay na gusto natin towards sa kanya. it can be boring for you but not for him. i really understand that kasi ganyan din ako. yung birthday ko hindi bigdeal saken. mas gusto ko ngang itreat sya as normal day lang. walang dating saken. mas gusto ko pang icelebrate yung bday ng anak ko at ng asawa ko. 


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Kimsmart on 11-20-17 04:44 PM
Been gone for a long time, glad to see you guys are still kicking.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: salute on 11-20-17 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-20-17 04:40 PM
of course alam ni Askman yan but he chose not to celebrate. in that way sya nag ienjoy. hindi natin pwedeng i-impose yung mga bagay na gusto natin towards sa kanya. it can be boring for you but not for him. i really understand that kasi ganyan din ako. yung birthday ko hindi bigdeal saken. mas gusto ko ngang itreat sya as normal day lang. walang dating saken. mas gusto ko pang icelebrate yung bday ng anak ko at ng asawa ko.
parehas din tayo hehe mas gusto ko pa maki celebrate.

About kay askman. Sinagot ko lang yung isa sa mga bagay na di niya magets kung bat nila isinicelebrate yung ganun occasion.

Edit: thrown  nag cecelebrate ka parin pala ng bithday.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-21-17 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-20-17 12:22 PM
yes our justice system somehow is no good. that is why criminals also get the full shield of the system by delaying tactics. but i don't believe that the government is entirely behind those killings. matagal na yang ganyan eh. even in the past administrations may mga ganyan na. it is not exclusive. if you think that maybe the government is behind those killings then would it also be possible that syndicates are doing the cleansing on their herd? pwede di ba? meron din tlagang mga pasaway na pulis and they should be put to jail. amplified lang talaga ngayon because of the war on drugs.

As much as I don't want to believe tha the government is not behind those killings, it's kinda hard to do it on my part. After all the dehumanization of drug addicts/users by the President himself and after all the threat to eradicate all drug users/addicts? It's really hard for me to believe that the government is somehow not behind those killings.

But let's give 'em the benefit of the doubt. Let's say ang mga drug syndicates nga ang pumapatay. I don't get it though, they're killing their only customers which is the drug users? Why? Because they might rat them out to the police? We're talking about killings here. If the President is fine with the killings of drug addicts/users would you blame the public if they also see the government responsible behind those killings?

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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-20-17 12:22 PM
Yes it can happen to anyone, even on my self. i can be shot dead. but the possibility is near zero i think. yung lugar kasi namin is not a hotspot. im living and working in south luzon. once in a while pumupunta ako ng manila for some deals. you know what mas natatakot pa akong maglakad even in broad daylight sa manila kesa ang maglakad ng gabi sa lugar namin. mas mataas pa yata ang possibility na maholdup ako or manakawan kesa sa ang mapagkamalan.

The killings are rampant and noticable in Metro Manila because this is the most congested area in the country at centralized ang negosyo dito. So don't be surprised na wala masyadong patayan sa South Luzon unlike sa NCR.

Such indiscriminate killings shouldn't be happening in the first place. But the fact that it's happening it tells us that the govenment is somehow incompetent in stopping it since the number of killings has already reached in thousands at ang masama pa nun ay may mga inosente din na nadale.

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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-20-17 12:22 PM
actually napapamura din talaga ako kapag nakikita ko sa balita na meron na namang nanlaban diumano kaya napatay. it seems na tong mga g@g**g pulis ay gumagawa lang alibi para makakalabit ng gatilyo. so they have to be very extra careful during operations. kaya nga ung proposal na body cam is a nice thing sana. but i think ngayon nasa PDEA na ang war on drugs.
 

Pareho lang tayo napapamura but I'am also upset seeing those news since it implicates that the government is somehow not doing anything about those indiscriminate killings. Not doing anything about it since the number of deaths is increasing. It actually reach thousands which is very alarming.

As for the body cams it's actually a good idea, just make sure that it is not foolproof. Yun bang bawal i-off ang camera when in operation. Gaya nung kapag may malaking operation mga pulis, magtataka ka biglang naka-off lahat ng CCTV sa area. Kahina-hinala e.

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Originally Posted by : salute on 11-20-17 04:32 PM
misan kasi ang okasyong ganito.  ito na ang ginagamit na pagkakataon para makasama ang mga mahal sa buhay ang mga taong napapasaya sa iyo.

I do understand that is the general and accepted reason why people celebrate their birthdays. But you can't apply it to everyone else since like I've said iba-iba ta'yo nang sense of enjoyment at celebration. Not everyone has a happy family & friends. Not anyone has the same privilege that you have.

If you ask me to celebrate my birthday, I'd do it by sleeping all day or watching TV series alone or treat it like any usual day that I had. Call me boring I don't care. I enjoy doing it like that.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 11-21-17 08:00 AM
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thrown  nag cecelebrate ka parin pala ng bithday.
kung ako lang ang masusunod, no i wont celebrate. but kailangan mo din pagbigyan ang mga taong gustong icelebrate ang bday mo like family so wala na ako nagagawa pa dun. basta hindi ako nag iinitiate.

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As much as I don't want to believe tha the government is not behind those killings, it's kinda hard to do it on my part. After all the dehumanization of drug addicts/users by the President himself and after all the threat to eradicate all drug users/addicts? It's really hard for me to believe that the government is somehow not behind those killings.

I am also from Mindanao and i've heard a lot of stories about the president during his term as a mayor. his reputation is really fearsome para sa mga addicts and criminals. but imposing fear to law breakers is also his strategy to secure safety. i just watched the movie Double Barrel. the plot of the story is realistic. that there are rogue cops and there are cops with good intention to fight criminals but doing the wrong things.  sila ang sumisira sa magandang intention ng gobyerno. i think we should support the war against drugs but also be very vigilant on those skalawag cops. 

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Let's say ang mga drug syndicates nga ang pumapatay. I don't get it though, they're killing their only customers which is the drug users? Why? Because they might rat them out to the police?
Yes it happens. Believe me. We once lived in a drug infested area in Manila. Ok just to be precise. We used to live in squatters area. Ilalim ng tulay. We've been relocated here in south luzon last 1994. The thing with them, yung mga small time pushers, hindi naman din nila totally kilala kung sino ang big time supplier nila. para lang yan networking. bago ka makarating sa upline, madami pala kayong nasa downline. and kapag nagkakabistuhan na, its time to saturate. hindi na bago yang scenario na yan eh. matagal nang nangyayari. yung story ng movie na Double Barrel is realistic as i said. ginagamit minsan ng mga pulis ung mga nahuhuli nila para maging "asset". so kapag ganun ang nangyari, wala ka ng magagawa kundi ang ikanta ang mga suppliers mo. the next thing that might happen to you is you'll be dead.   

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The killings are rampant and noticable in Metro Manila because this is the most congested area in the country at centralized ang negosyo dito. So don't be surprised na wala masyadong patayan sa South Luzon unlike sa NCR.

Such indiscriminate killings shouldn't be happening in the first place. But the fact that it's happening it tells us that the govenment is somehow incompetent in stopping it since the number of killings has already reached in thousands at ang masama pa nun ay may mga inosente din na nadale.
yes it is true that it is more rampant in Manila than here in the South that is why mas nakakatakot maglakad lakad dyan even in broad daylight kasi yang mga criminals para na ding mga bampirang kalaban ni Blade. Naging daywalkers na haha.

So should we say that all the past administrations were all incompetent? The problems on drugs and criminality does not happen only during this government right? Kung competent lang din sila sana wala ng mga inosenteng tao pa ang nadadamay ngayon. Yung paglala ng problem on drugs ay kagagawan nila.

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As for the body cams it's actually a good idea, just make sure that it is not foolproof. Yun bang bawal i-off ang camera when in operation. Gaya nung kapag may malaking operation mga pulis, magtataka ka biglang naka-off lahat ng CCTV sa area. Kahina-hinala e.
actually mas pabor nga ako kung sasamahan ng media ang operations eh para siguradong titino ang mga g@g** pulis na yan.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-21-17 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-21-17 08:00 AM

I am also from Mindanao and i've heard a lot of stories about the president during his term as a mayor. his reputation is really fearsome para sa mga addicts and criminals. but imposing fear to law breakers is also his strategy to secure safety. i just watched the movie Double Barrel. the plot of the story is realistic. that there are rogue cops and there are cops with good intention to fight criminals but doing the wrong things.  sila ang sumisira sa magandang intention ng gobyerno. i think we should support the war against drugs but also be very vigilant on those skalawag cops.

I have no problem with resolving the drug problem , seriously except for the killing part that's why I'm against it.

It's been proven that resolving the drug problem by means of killing don't work. The USA and Portugal have tried it and they failed miserably. People abuse drugs due to some external factors like poverty but mostly it's psychological.

It's just the same way with people who abused other things such as video games, liquor, cigarettes, etc. People abused something to look for connection due to psychological stress or being isolated or neglected. Humans aren't designed to be alone; we're a tribalistic specie. So our brain made a defense mechanism when under stress of being isolated, neglected and alone; it looks for something to connect to avoid self-destructing.

Just look kung saan pinakamahirap na lugar mas madami doon ang nagdo-droga. It's because people there are mentally and emotionally stressed. They need help, not bullets.

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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-21-17 08:00 AM

Yes it happens. Believe me. We once lived in a drug infested area in Manila. Ok just to be precise. We used to live in squatters area. Ilalim ng tulay. We've been relocated here in south luzon last 1994. The thing with them, yung mga small time pushers, hindi naman din nila totally kilala kung sino ang big time supplier nila. para lang yan networking. bago ka makarating sa upline, madami pala kayong nasa downline. and kapag nagkakabistuhan na, its time to saturate. hindi na bago yang scenario na yan eh. matagal nang nangyayari. yung story ng movie na Double Barrel is realistic as i said. ginagamit minsan ng mga pulis ung mga nahuhuli nila para maging "asset". so kapag ganun ang nangyari, wala ka ng magagawa kundi ang ikanta ang mga suppliers mo. the next thing that might happen to you is you'll be dead.

This I agree. Not closing this possibility. On the other hand if the police used the guy they should also responsible if the guy they used end up dead one day.

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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-21-17 08:00 AM

yes it is true that it is more rampant in Manila than here in the South that is why mas nakakatakot maglakad lakad dyan even in broad daylight kasi yang mga criminals para na ding mga bampirang kalaban ni Blade. Naging daywalkers na haha.

Reason why when Cayetano said that na parang Singapore na tayo, I don't know what that guy is smoking.

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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-21-17 08:00 AM

So should we say that all the past administrations were all incompetent? The problems on drugs and criminality does not happen only during this government right? Kung competent lang din sila sana wala ng mga inosenteng tao pa ang nadadamay ngayon. Yung paglala ng problem on drugs ay kagagawan nila.

We can also say that since they didn't address the drug problem properly. The only difference is ngayon our government particularly the President himself openly commands the killing of all drug addicts. I'd say pareho lang sila mas ungas nga lang yung ngayon.

 
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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-21-17 08:00 AM

actually mas pabor nga ako kung sasamahan ng media ang operations eh para siguradong titino ang mga g@g** pulis na yan.

Having the media in every police operation would be unnecessary. Besides why put body cams in the first place if you want another camera to film your operation?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 11-21-17 10:26 AM
As i said, I personally experienced living on slums so i know first hand what is life living with murderers, thieves and addicts. Happiness is a choice and so is stress. I agree with you that these people need help but help must not be solely coming from external forces but also within their selves. If my parents were not so full of "prinsipyo", they may turned into pushers. That's the easiest way to raise money. that is why i think war on drugs should be partnered with livelihood programs para may ibang pagkakitaan ang mga pushers. but again, once you go into the pit of drug syndicates, there is no turning back. and you'll know what will happen next.     

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Reason why when Cayetano said that na parang Singapore na tayo, I don't know what that guy is smoking.
not even close. that is why i dont believe them

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We can also say that since they didn't address the drug problem properly. The only difference is ngayon our government particularly the President himself openly commands the killing of all drug addicts.
i think the president did not instruct the killing of addicts per se. it's if your facing a decision that would cost your life vs the addict. of course you have to protect yours.

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I'd say pareho lang sila mas ungas nga lang yung ngayon.
haha and i'd say mas maangas ang president ngayon.  but i like the word "ungas" haha
no one has dare to badmouth the ever powerful catholic church except him :lol:
yung mga nakaraan kasi puro mga sipsip. natatakot mabigwasan sa sermon

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Having the media in every police operation would be unnecessary. Besides why put body cams in the first place if you want another camera to film your operation?
it will be for verification purposes. yang mga media nga na yan laging nakaabang sa mga presinto para manguha ng balita eh.
it will help a lot during investigation. ayos na din yun baka para maiwasan ang sabihan ang mga pulis na fabricated ang video. at least pwedeng iverify using other angle.

and i also want the bishops or priests to join lalo na yung mga maiingay.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-21-17 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-21-17 10:26 AM
As i said, I personally experienced living on slums so i know first hand what is life living with murderers, thieves and addicts. Happiness is a choice and so is stress. I agree with you that these people need help but help must not be solely coming from external forces but also within their selves. If my parents were not so full of "prinsipyo", they may turned into pushers. That's the easiest way to raise money. that is why i think war on drugs should be partnered with livelihood programs para may ibang pagkakitaan ang mga pushers. but again, once you go into the pit of drug syndicates, there is no turning back. and you'll know what will happen next.

I'm not against with you when you say that the war on drugs should be accompanied by a livelihood program. It's actually a good idea para di mauwi sa wala ang mga drug users once they came back to the community.

They can still turn back and the answer is on how the government address the drug problem. If the government treats the drug users as animals and isolate them and dehumanize them, then I'd say there's no turning back for them.

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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-21-17 10:26 AM
i think the president did not instruct the killing of addicts per se. it's if your facing a decision that would cost your life vs the addict. of course you have to protect yours.

Ever heard the word "chain of command"? He says we can kill all the drug addicts. He didn't mention anything about life or death situation.

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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-21-17 10:26 AM
haha and i'd say mas maangas ang president ngayon.  but i like the word "ungas" haha
no one has dare to badmouth the ever powerful catholic church except him :lol:
yung mga nakaraan kasi puro mga sipsip. natatakot mabigwasan sa sermon.


It's nice for him to criticize the church for meddling in politics. He should just be careful since it could might backfire someday.

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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-21-17 10:26 AM
it will be for verification purposes. yang mga media nga na yan laging nakaabang sa mga presinto para manguha ng balita eh.
it will help a lot during investigation. ayos na din yun baka para maiwasan ang sabihan ang mga pulis na fabricated ang video. at least pwedeng iverify using other angle.

and i also want the bishops or priests to join lalo na yung mga maiingay.
Once body cams are in there, of course they would also create a policy for the police that turning off the camera during an operation is prohibited and tampering it would be against the law as well.

It should be like that, putting body cams on every police isn't just about how they conduct operations. It is also for their protection if may manlaban nga talaga at least they're telling the truth since may video. And the public should have access to the videos too via FOI. Hence the presence of the media in every operation unnecessary.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 11-21-17 12:49 PM
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I'm not against with you when you say that the war on drugs should be accompanied by a livelihood program. It's actually a good idea para di mauwi sa wala ang mga drug users once they came back to the community.

They can still turn back and the answer is on how the government address the drug problem. If the government treats the drug users as animals and isolate them and dehumanize them, then I'd say there's no turning back for them.
that is why there is a rehabilitation facility for them. that's one way of bringing back their lost pieces.

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Ever heard the word "chain of command"? He says we can kill all the drug addicts. He didn't mention anything about life or death situation.
Yes i do.
And yes he mentioned it in some of his speeches. one example was during his speech on kian de los santos case.

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It's nice for him to criticize the church for meddling in politics. He should just be careful since it could might backfire someday.
the old man doesnt care anymore. he knows his days are numbered. he's 86 already. :lol:

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Once body cams are in there, of course they would also create a policy for the police that turning off the camera during an operation is prohibited and tampering it would be against the law as well.

It should be like that, putting body cams on every police isn't just about how they conduct operations. It is also for their protection if may manlaban nga talaga at least they're telling the truth since may video. And the public should have access to the videos too via FOI. Hence the presence of the media in every operation unnecessary.
i think that all possible scenario should be considered. afterall, we want justice to prevail equally. if it will help to erase doubts then why not? well all know what media can do to influence people.

but at the end of the day all we wanted is to have a safer environment for our family and children. previous administrations failed miserably in stopping drug trade in the country. masyado ng malalim ang problema and if this administration will also fail, i can't imagine how safe the future will be. i know hindi naman talaga totally mawawala ang problemang yan but i am hoping that somehow the streets will not anymore be a haven for criminals.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-21-17 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-21-17 12:49 PM
that is why there is a rehabilitation facility for them. that's one way of bringing back their lost pieces.

And that's what the government should be focusing instead of dehumanizing drug users.

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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-21-17 12:49 PM
Yes i do.
And yes he mentioned it in some of his speeches. one example was during his speech on kian de los santos case.

I'm talking about before though. And unfortunately kailangan may mamatay pa na inosente that caused public uproar for him to realize that.

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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-21-17 12:49 PM
the old man doesn't care anymore. he knows his days are numbered. he's 86 already. :lol:

Good for him though but not good for the general. Him not  caring since he's 86 is about him. But him being the President is about the public and the country as well. So every word he says will reflect to us filipinos.

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Originally Posted by : thrown on 11-21-17 12:49 PM
i think that all possible scenario should be considered. after all, we want justice to prevail equally. if it will help to erase doubts then why not? well all know what media can do to influence people.

but at the end of the day all we wanted is to have a safer environment for our family and children. previous administrations failed miserably in stopping drug trade in the country. masyado ng malalim ang problema and if this administration will also fail, i can't imagine how safe the future will be. i know hindi naman talaga totally mawawala ang problemang yan but i am hoping that somehow the streets will not anymore be a haven for criminals.
Isn't that the whole point on why we should be putting body cams on policemen? To erase all doubts?

Duterte already admitted in one of his speech that he can't eradicate the drug problem. Well if he already admitted that then he should try another way where all of us can win. We don't give up.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 11-23-17 04:34 AM
agree ako kay askman.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 11-27-17 01:34 AM
Sup guys! Meron na pala uling thread :D

Saka yung hindi pagse-celebrate ng birthday, hindi killjoy yun. Dapat live and let live, let people enjoy how they want to live their lives, don't expect them to like what you like. Parang diktador lang ang trip eh haha XD


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 11-27-17 10:46 AM
Yup we don't give up. There is no perfect government just like there is no perfect family. The past administrations have done their part. It's now time for the new one to prove themselves. I am not keen on the killings. That issue was just amplified as i've said. Madami ng ganyang klase ng pagpatay even before. Hindi nga lang masyado kino-quote ng media because it will not sell. Previous presidents were soft spoken people not like PDuts. His mouth is full of cussing very unorthodox for a president. So ang sarap gumawa ng balita with just one word. What matters to me is how this administration will lessen if not totally eradicate corruption in the government. I am more interested with the projects that will bring more progress and investments. How my daughter would benefit from all these free SUC tuition. How will they lessen the traffic in Manila. I am more excited in his last year in office where those infra from Build Build Build project will now be used.

Okay this is too political already. It should be on the other thread.

Anyways, just to get on track. This is far more important i guess hehe  ;D




Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 11-27-17 01:00 PM
@thrown
Nakakatawa at pinapayagan yang ganyang practice sa mga democratic na bansa. Pwersahan yan eh, naiyak pa nga yung isang bata oh haha XD


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 11-27-17 02:39 PM
that's how to hostage their mind. manage their fears and they will follow.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: sai_ha on 11-27-17 08:43 PM
daming galit na muslim kay robin dahil sa paggbinyag nila sa anak nya sa catholic. hanggat merong religion na ganyan ang turo di talaga magkakasundo ang mga tao. yung ibang nagcomment halatang extremist na.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 11-27-17 09:20 PM
Di naman extremist, kaya lang overacting sila haha XD

Ang mga Abrahamic religions talaga patriarchal eh...


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-28-17 01:07 AM
I kinda agree sa sinabi ni Mariel na paglaki ng anak nila hahayaan nila mag-decide kung anong paniniwala or religion ang pipiliin ng anak nila.

I think yung pagbibinyag nila ng anak nila sa catholic & muslim is  just a sign of respect for their respective religions which is Mariel is catholic while Robin is a muslim.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: sai_ha on 11-28-17 02:02 AM
gnun nga rin sa tingin ko kaya tingin ko pero kahit ano pang rason basta mali sa batas ng mga muslim. pag ang ama kasi matik muslim na ang magiging mga anak nya kahit ano pang mangyrari kasi daw yung ama lang ang dapat sundin at obligasyon ng ama na ipabinyag ang anak sa islam wala nang iba. sa sitwasyon na yan ay napakakumplikado.

sabi pa ng mga muslim in islam there is no compulsion pero mukhang salungat naman sa aral nila. ang lalaking muslim pwede magasawa sa non muslim pero matik magiging muslim ang anak at ang babaeng muslim di pwede magasawa sa lalaking non muslim naiintindihhan ko kung bakit di pwede kasi ang babae di nya pwedeng diktahan yung lalaking non muslim kung ano ang magiging relihyon ng magiging anak nila. masyadong aggressive mga muslim sa pagpapalaganap ng islam kaya kung nasa angkan ka ng mga muslim wag mo nalang ipagsabi sa kanila na salungat ka sa aral ng islam. kung di ka papatayin, kakamuhian ka at itatakwil ka lalo na sa  middle east na may mga cases pa na pinapatay ng sariling kamag anak pero may batas sa middle east na makukulong ang sinumang sasalungat sa islam and worst is death penalty.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 11-28-17 10:29 PM
May nabasa akong ganyan sa reddit, sa Malaysia ata siya galing, pumunta siya ng Australia. Nung una nga daw dito sana sa atin kaya lang may nag-alok ata ng financial support sa Australia kaya dun siya napadpad.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: haunted16 on 11-28-17 10:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : chobibo on 11-27-17 01:00 PM
@thrown
Nakakatawa at pinapayagan yang ganyang practice sa mga democratic na bansa. Pwersahan yan eh, naiyak pa nga yung isang bata oh haha XD
hindi naman nakakagulat yan bro,democratic country was never been about freedom from religion but freedom of religion,ang alam ko na uri ng estado na ang sistema ay freedom from religion ay ang Communism


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 11-28-17 11:37 PM
Yun na nga, "freedom of religion", bakit pwersahan yung indoctrination? Naiyak pa nga yung bata eh lol. Yung freedom na yan nag aaply sa bawat individual person, kasama pati yung mga bata, kaya dapat pabayaan mag decide yung bata kung saang religion niya gusto sumali or kung hindi siya sasali sa anuman. Kaya lang ang problema, kasangkop sa doktrina ng ilang mga relihiyion yung indokrinasyon sa mga bata.

Anyway, wala akong sinabing "freedom from religion", you're reading too much into things yet again.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-28-17 11:47 PM
I gotta agree with bro haunted. Freedom of religion is one of the benefits that a person can have while living in a democratic state.

A child doesn't have the capacity to choose during infancy kaya di mo pwede ipasa sa bata ang pagdedesisyon patungkol sa religion dahil di pa yan mauunawaaan ng bata since complex masyado ang concept ng religion.

On the other hand baptism is just another type of tradition that majority of us is praciticing since majority ng population natin is kristyano. Kung ako tatanungin hindi mahalaga kung baptized ang isang bata o hindi. Ang mahalga is how they treat the child after baptism.

We are maybe non-belivers here but we have to accept the existence of their tradition or religious practice whether we like it or not. Freedom goes both ways.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 11-29-17 12:08 AM
Again, I never said "freedom from religion". /sadface

I respect your opinion though I disagree. Hindi yung baptism ng bata ang point ko sa previous post ko sir Askman, my point was that the "freedom to choose" of the kid was not respected, so I can not agree that "freedom goes both ways" kung ganoon ang pangyayari.

Also;

"A child doesn't have the capacity to choose during infancy kaya di mo pwede ipasa sa bata ang pagdedesisyon patungkol sa religion dahil di pa yan mauunawaaan ng bata since complex masyado ang concept ng religion."

Pero pwede mong antayin na magkaisip na ang bata, yung punto ng buhay niya na kaya na niya magdesisyon kung saang group siya sasali.

Anyway, lumalabas lang dito ang reluctance natin baguhin ang mga nakasanayan na, though that is not necessarily bad.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-29-17 01:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : chobibo on 11-29-17 12:08 AM
Again, I never said "freedom from religion". /sadface

I do apologize for the misunderstanding. What I mean is freedom for religious practices.

Quote:
Originally Posted by : chobibo on 11-29-17 12:08 AM
I respect your opinion though I disagree. Hindi yung baptism ng bata ang point ko sa previous post ko sir Askman, my point was that the "freedom to choose" of the kid was not respected, so I can not agree that "freedom goes both ways" kung ganoon ang pangyayari.

Whether the infant is baptized or not, like I said, it all falls down on how they will treat the child when he grows up. If pag malaki na siya but they still subject the child to be subservient to their religion then I'd say walang kwenta magulang n'ya at religion nila.

Quote:
Originally Posted by : chobibo on 11-29-17 12:08 AM
Also;

"A child doesn't have the capacity to choose during infancy kaya di mo pwede ipasa s5042356215a bata ang pagdedesisyon patungkol sa religion dahil di pa yan mauunawaaan ng bata since complex masyado ang concept ng religion."

Pero pwede mong antayin na magkaisip na ang bata, yung punto ng buhay niya na kaya na niya magdesisyon kung saang group siya sasali.

In my own opinion baptism is harmless (except of course those type of baptism that would danger the welfare of the child, i'm against that) especially our kind of baptism. Buhusan ka lang ng tubig sa ulo and the proof would be just a piece of paper. What's harmful here is what's happening after the baptism---yung pagpapalaki sa bata. A person can still choose what belief or stand he's gonna subscribe into when he reached the age of reason regardless kung baptized siya o hindi. Nagkakatalo na lang yan sa magulang kung kupal ba o hindi.

Quote:
Originally Posted by : chobibo on 11-29-17 12:08 AM
Anyway, lumalabas lang dito ang reluctance natin baguhin ang mga nakasanayan na, though that is not necessarily bad.
It's not reluctance. We're just telling you that we're not an authoritarian state. We are a democracy and anyone is free to practice any religious practice they want as long as walang nalalagay sa kapahamakan. Neverthelss I'd agree to abolish baptism if it's detrimental to the well-being of the child.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 11-29-17 07:39 AM
We follow tradition by letting our daughter be baptized. No harm.

Quote:
Hindi yung baptism ng bata ang point ko sa previous post ko sir Askman, my point was that the "freedom to choose" of the kid was not respected, so I can not agree that "freedom goes both ways" kung ganoon ang pangyayari.
The child can't choose obviously. As long as wala pa sya sa capacity para mag decide for himself, it will always be the parents who will decide. Well, the child can always change his belief later. The point is there is no freedom being violated here i guess because the child has no capacity to decide. This also applies to what he/she wears, eat, play, etc. You don't let him/her decide kung ano yung dapat nyang kainin because it could be fatal in some point right? 


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 11-29-17 03:48 PM
I get it now, sinabi ko kasing "nakakatawa at pinapayagan" which implies na dapat pagbawalan. Authoritarian nga yung dating ko dun.

Anyway, sorry mga sir, mali nga ako dito. Binasa ko kasi ulit yung pinost ko eh. Sorry guys.

Still, I disagree with child indoctrination.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: haunted16 on 11-29-17 04:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : chobibo on 11-28-17 11:37 PM
Yun na nga, "freedom of religion", bakit pwersahan yung indoctrination? Naiyak pa nga yung bata eh lol. Yung freedom na yan nag aaply sa bawat individual person, kasama pati yung mga bata, kaya dapat pabayaan mag decide yung bata kung saang religion niya gusto sumali or kung hindi siya sasali sa anuman. Kaya lang ang problema, kasangkop sa doktrina ng ilang mga relihiyion yung indokrinasyon sa mga bata.

Anyway, wala akong sinabing "freedom from religion", you're reading too much into things yet again.
The thing is,you are reading it the wrong way,it is the parents you should be blaming not religion.But who are we to blame them,a child is dependent on their parents and it is the parents obligation and intention to rear them,to what they belief as essential for the well being of the child.
Edit:tapos na pala ang usapan,back to science na lang ulit :D


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 11-29-17 05:34 PM
Yeah, mali nga ako dun sa sinabi ko, di ko napagisipan mabuti eh haha XD


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 11-30-17 03:40 AM
Okay maiba tayo ng topic. I just find Miss Thailand (Maria Lynn Ehren) so beautiful. Lalo siya gumanda when I found out that she's an adherent of agnosticism. Beauty with brains.

Here's a pic of her to lighten up your day.
Quote:
(https://preview.ibb.co/nJRRaQ/image.jpg)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 11-30-17 12:26 PM
Ito tungkol sa relationship ng bacteria at insect, parang coevolution pero di ako sure:
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/11/27/insect-outsources-key-metabolism-bacterium-tiny-genome-12188 (https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/11/27/insect-outsources-key-metabolism-bacterium-tiny-genome-12188)

Ito naman slime mold, nakakagawa ng efficient na transport network (pathfinding?); ganda siguro i-adapt nito para sa mga future road projects, pwede rin pag-aralan ng mga incoming city planners:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100121141051.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100121141051.htm)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: haunted16 on 11-30-17 03:49 PM
Ganda nga nyang si Ms.Thailand :) di ba Buddhism ang major religion sa Thailand?hindi ba agnostic si Buddha?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 11-30-17 11:56 PM
Parang, di naman nirereject ni buddha yung idea ng diety eh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_in_Buddhism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_in_Buddhism)
http://www.unm.edu/~rhayes/atheism.pdf (http://www.unm.edu/~rhayes/atheism.pdf)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 12-01-17 12:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : haunted16 on 11-30-17 03:49 PM
Ganda nga nyang si Ms.Thailand :) di ba Buddhism ang major religion sa Thailand?hindi ba agnostic si Buddha?

Yes she is practicing Buddhism but I think she's just practicing it out of respect and tradition. As far as I know buddhism is all about the teachings of Buddha, parang self-development to reach Nirvana parang ganun.

But hey she's technically an agnostic. If she's a real deal agnostic we all know it's hard to turn back to your previous belief if you already considered yourself as one.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: systematic on 12-02-17 07:49 PM
geh basa mode muna. kung mamatay ako gusto ko masaksihan ang pag collide ng milky at andro galaxy best death ever XD huhu


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 12-03-17 04:31 AM
"Researchers have developed a new approach to estimate the true size of very large earthquakes." http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42183077 (http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42183077)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 12-05-17 01:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : systematic on 12-02-17 07:49 PM
geh basa mode muna. kung mamatay ako gusto ko masaksihan ang pag collide ng milky at andro galaxy best death ever XD huhu

Yup one of the best death. Although it would take millions of years before we can witness the complete collision of the two. Baka wala din daw magbanggaan na mga stars & planets considering kung gaano kalayo ang bawat isa sa kanila.

Pero magiging maganda ang kalangitan natin lalo kapag gabi due to the collision. Best death.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 12-05-17 04:06 AM
malamang marami ring shooting star na makikita pag na slingshot ng gravity yung ibang stars. Pag na slingshot kaya yung star kasama yung mga orbiting planets?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: haunted16 on 12-06-17 12:36 PM
Isit possible ba magkaroon ng collision hindi ba kahit sa galaxy parangay sinusunod sila na orbit?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 12-06-17 11:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : haunted16 on 12-06-17 12:36 PM
Isit possible ba magkaroon ng collision hindi ba kahit sa galaxy parangay sinusunod sila na orbit?

Probably there's a chance na may collision but I think it's very low since sobrang layo ng distance between every objects that consist the galaxies.

As for the slingshot of objects as far as I know every galaxy holds their objects like a glue. What holds the objects together ay yung dark matter. That's why objects inside the galaxies like planets and stars can't get out or slingshot outside of that galaxy even though the galaxy is spinning 500,000 mph.

Kahit pa yung mga objects na nasa dulo or buntot nung galaxy stays on their position kahit pa sobrang layo nila sa center ng galaxy because that badaas dark matter holds them together.

Meanwhille
PNP drug enforcement chief: No need for body cameras, we have God. (https://www.rappler.com/nation/190540-pnp-drug-enforcement-group-deg-body-cameras-god)
-Source: Rappler

I'm in favor of body cams like what me and thrown have already talked about. But invoking God in this sensitive issue would only make it more problematic. Reason why we need body cams is it is also for the protection of the police para pag may nanalaban talaga e justified yung pagkakapatay sa suspek. And also for reference and evidence that can be used in court & legal proceedings.

Pwede ba natin ipatawag si God to stand in court to get his testimony once police operation goes south? Sure as hell not hence the proposal to have body cams.

Tingin ata ng hepe nila ilalaglag sila ng body cams nila unless of course they have something to hide.



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: salute on 12-07-17 12:27 AM
"There is no such thing as perfection. This world
isn't perfect. That's why it is beautiful."


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 12-07-17 01:57 AM
Matindi pala yang dark matter... maslingshot lang pala sa higher orbit at hindi mae-eject sa galaxy. Meron pa palang isang kasama sa collision, yung Triangulum Galaxy.

Nakakatawa naman si Gen. Bato, kala ko pa naman confident siya haha XD


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 12-07-17 02:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : chobibo on 12-07-17 01:57 AM
Matindi pala yang dark matter... maslingshot lang pala sa higher orbit at hindi mae-eject sa galaxy. Meron pa palang isang kasama sa collision, yung Triangulum Galaxy.

Matindi talaga yung dark matter. They found out that it is responsible on holding the objects of a galaxy together when they measure the mass of a particular galaxy.  Nagtataka sila na sobrang massive nung galaxy even though it consist only of 20% matter. Parang may invisible object that fills the rest of empty space of that galaxy.

Parang naging ganito yung findings nila:
20% - matter (stars, planets, moons, asteroids and etc)
80% - dark matter

Quote:
Originally Posted by : chobibo on 12-07-17 01:57 AM
Nakakatawa naman si Gen. Bato, kala ko pa naman confident siya haha XD

It's not General Bato who says that. It's Chief Superintendent Joseph Adnol. I don't know this guy but my first impression of him is he's an idiot. As far as I know Bato is also in favor of body cams.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 12-07-17 04:13 AM
Ah! Sorry, mali basa ko kanina sa post, ageing eh haha XD. Mukhang nasa alapaap nga siya base dun sa sinabi niya, nabasa ko na rin kasi yung article, tagilid yung reasoning niya eh...


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 12-07-17 08:33 AM
mahabaging jisas fries! Ano nahithit ni sir?

https://www.rappler.com/nation/190540-pnp-drug-enforcement-group-deg-body-cameras-god (https://www.rappler.com/nation/190540-pnp-drug-enforcement-group-deg-body-cameras-god)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: luna_spark on 12-07-17 11:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : salute on 12-07-17 12:27 AM
"There is no such thing as perfection. This world
isn't perfect. That's why it is beautiful."

-Osho


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 12-07-17 10:15 PM
Parang masarap yang jisas fries ah haha XD


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: systematic on 12-08-17 12:00 AM
ganda magbasa ng science. fav. ko sa science ay celestial body.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 12-25-17 07:49 AM
Happy holidays fellow heathens.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: cherryblossoms on 01-02-18 01:35 AM
Hello ^_^ :) :calling:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jaiconruedas on 01-02-18 03:00 AM
Done backread.
Thanks kay Askman for clearing about Dark Matter. If my memory serves me right, we have discussed dark matter before and it's confusing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by : systematic on 12-08-17 12:00 AM
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ganda magbasa ng science. fav. ko sa science ay celestial body.
We're dealing in astrophysics to be precise


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: cherryblossoms on 01-02-18 07:46 AM
" 'What a child should be taught is
that religion exists; that some
people believe this and some
people believe that,'

 'What a child should never be
taught is that you are a Catholic
or Muslim child, therefore that is
what you believe. That's child
abuse."
-Richard Dawkins-

 www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312813/Richard-Dawkins-Forcing-religion-children-child-abuse-claims-atheist-professor.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312813/Richard-Dawkins-Forcing-religion-children-child-abuse-claims-atheist-professor.html)

may bansa kayang nagpatupad nito na pagdating lang ng age of reason bago magkaron ng religion.
Im with dawkins, teaching a child that they will burn in hell or a skydaddy will punish them everytime they do something which are against a specific sect standard morality are harmful in a child's mind.

Hindi tama na ipagkumpera ang religion sa education or pagkain basic needs ng tao ang education ang pagkain unlike sa religion na kahit wala ka nyan mabubuhay ka ng normal.

anyway sana magkaron sa pinas ng mala freedom from religion foundation dito.
https://ffrf.org/ (https://ffrf.org/)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jeclover18 on 01-02-18 03:10 PM
Quote:
Hello ^_^ :) :calling:

Andito ka pa pala, cherry. :hi:

Hello po sa lahat! :hi:

Pasubscribe ulit sa thread na to. :yes:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: haunted16 on 01-02-18 03:38 PM
Happy New Year,welcome back cherry and jaicon :hi:
@cherry
I disagree with Richard Dawkins,child abuse is a big word,parang pang proaganda lang ang dating.Kung kailangan kung maniwala sa isang statement ng isang professor,hindi sa isang biologist kundi sa isang well known psychologist.Ngayon kung sinabi ng isang kilalang psychologist na abusive ang pagtuturo ng religion sa isang bata,baka may maconvince sya,hindi kasi ako naniniwala na hindi psychologically fit ang mga theist parents para magrear sa mga anak nila.A child is dependent on many ways on their parents,kasama na dyan ang beliefs sa mga bagay na maassimilate ng bata habang lumalaki sya,for example habit ng magasawa na magdasal bago matulog,at nagtanong ang bata bakit nila ginagawa yun,sasabihin nila ang reason nila.At ang sistema mismo ng demokrasya natin,ay hindi pagpigil sa religion kundi ang pagpili nito,at ang family ay kinikilala na basic unit ng society,a society na kilala bilang relihiyoso,kaya Hindi pwede i-suggest halimbawa ng gobyerno na bawal sila magturo sa mga bata ng mga paniniwala nila about their religion unless na nga lang kung Komunista na tayo.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: luna_spark on 01-02-18 06:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : haunted16 on 01-02-18 03:38 PM
Happy New Year,welcome back cherry and jaicon :hi:
@cherry
I disagree with Richard Dawkins,child abuse is a big word,parang pang proaganda lang ang dating.Kung kailangan kung maniwala sa isang statement ng isang professor,hindi sa isang biologist kundi sa isang well known psychologist.Ngayon kung sinabi ng isang kilalang psychologist na abusive ang pagtuturo ng religion sa isang bata,baka may maconvince sya,hindi kasi ako naniniwala na hindi psychologically fit ang mga theist parents para magrear sa mga anak nila.A child is dependent on many ways on their parents,kasama na dyan ang beliefs sa mga bagay na maassimilate ng bata habang lumalaki sya,for example habit ng magasawa na magdasal bago matulog,at nagtanong ang bata bakit nila ginagawa yun,sasabihin nila ang reason nila.At ang sistema mismo ng demokrasya natin,ay hindi pagpigil sa religion kundi ang pagpili nito,at ang family ay kinikilala na basic unit ng society,a society na kilala bilang relihiyoso,kaya Hindi pwede i-suggest halimbawa ng gobyerno na bawal sila magturo sa mga bata ng mga paniniwala nila about their religion unless na nga lang kung Komunista na tayo.

May point din pero how about kung isang philosopher ang nag sabi ??? I think maganda ding basahin some books of russel sa pagpapaliwanag nya kung bakit hindi sya kristiano.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: haunted16 on 01-02-18 07:29 PM
Si Richard Dawkins kasi ay hindi lang atheist kundi anti religion din,ang siste kasi ang words na ginagamit nya ay napaka heavy halatadong pampropaganda,sa totoo lang hindi ko kailanman naisip na napariwara ako dahil lumaki ako sa turo o aral ng Kristyanismo,ang mga parents ko at grandparents ay mabubuting tao at hindi sila mapang-abuso,about sa pagbabasa ng mga sulat ng atheist,wala namag masama doon pero hindi ibig sabihin noon ay dapat mag-agree ka.Totoo may punto ang side nila pero himdi ibig sabihin nun ay walang punto ang theist side.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jaiconruedas on 01-02-18 07:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : haunted16 on 01-02-18 03:38 PM
Happy New Year,welcome back cherry and jaicon :hi:
@cherry
I disagree with Richard Dawkins,child abuse is a big word,parang pang proaganda lang ang dating.Kung kailangan kung maniwala sa isang statement ng isang professor,hindi sa isang biologist kundi sa isang well known psychologist.Ngayon kung sinabi ng isang kilalang psychologist na abusive ang pagtuturo ng religion sa isang bata,baka may maconvince sya,hindi kasi ako naniniwala na hindi psychologically fit ang mga theist parents para magrear sa mga anak nila.A child is dependent on many ways on their parents,kasama na dyan ang beliefs sa mga bagay na maassimilate ng bata habang lumalaki sya,for example habit ng magasawa na magdasal bago matulog,at nagtanong ang bata bakit nila ginagawa yun,sasabihin nila ang reason nila.At ang sistema mismo ng demokrasya natin,ay hindi pagpigil sa religion kundi ang pagpili nito,at ang family ay kinikilala na basic unit ng society,a society na kilala bilang relihiyoso,kaya Hindi pwede i-suggest halimbawa ng gobyerno na bawal sila magturo sa mga bata ng mga paniniwala nila about their religion unless na nga lang kung Komunista na tayo.
Interesting. Ano naman ang rason na sasabihin ng magulang kung bakit sila nagdarasal?
Let's just stick to the statement, not by who said it and his credentials.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: haunted16 on 01-02-18 08:16 PM
Sorry bro,pero hindi ko maiwasan na hindi i-connect si Dawkins bilang aktibong personality na nangangampanya laban sa religion,child abuse are connected sa abusive parents,hindi ba dapat mga experts ang magsasabi kung tunay ba na naabuso ang mga bata o mapang-abuso ang mga magulang,
ano palagay mo bro jai?nabibilang ka dati sa theist ano ba sa palagay mo sasabihin nila?You know well na kapag pinaliwanag nila ang paniniwala sa Diyos kasama na doon ang religious affiliation nila,whats wrong with it?seriously,may Kristyano ba talaga na pinalaki ng mga mabubuting Kristyano na magulang ang naging masama o patapon ang buhay?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jeclover18 on 01-02-18 08:21 PM
Why always analyze things instead of doing something? :hmm:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: systematic on 01-02-18 08:39 PM
gehh more knowledge pa :news:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jeclover18 on 01-02-18 08:44 PM
@system, atheist ka rin ba?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: systematic on 01-02-18 08:47 PM
paparoon na. :D sapagkat akoy nalilito pa. I'm 18 po.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jeclover18 on 01-02-18 08:49 PM
So, kailangan bang maging makata para ika'y maging ganap na atista? :haha:

Nalilito saan?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: systematic on 01-02-18 08:54 PM
Ahahaha. sa tanong na totoo pa talaga ang Dios. :D


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jeclover18 on 01-02-18 09:05 PM
Naku, systematic, nasa sa iyo pa rin yan. Basta't wag pinapairal ang bitterness sa mundo at malalaman mo kung ano talaga ang nagreresonate sayo. :)

Hindi naman kailangan maging atheist para masagot yan eh. Kailangan mo lang maging bukas sa ibang bagay. Think outside of the box na rin. Ang beliefs kasi natin ay nakabase sa perception na meron ka. It depends talaga.

Lahat naman may basis eh. Lahat naman ok basta't walang inaagrabyadong kapwa. Respeto na lang talaga. :yes:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 01-02-18 11:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : haunted16 on 01-02-18 08:16 PM
Sorry bro,pero hindi ko maiwasan na hindi i-connect si Dawkins bilang aktibong personality na nangangampanya laban sa religion,child abuse are connected sa abusive parents,hindi ba dapat mga experts ang magsasabi kung tunay ba na naabuso ang mga bata o mapang-abuso ang mga magulang,
ano palagay mo bro jai?nabibilang ka dati sa theist ano ba sa palagay mo sasabihin nila?You know well na kapag pinaliwanag nila ang paniniwala sa Diyos kasama na doon ang religious affiliation nila,whats wrong with it?seriously,may Kristyano ba talaga na pinalaki ng mga mabubuting Kristyano na magulang ang naging masama o patapon ang buhay?
I think it is consider child abuse not because of the intent of the parents but rather because of the mental capacity of the child to absord such thing and the way how it affects the child's well-being. Religion is a complicated matter and its concepts like heaven & hell shoudn't be taught to someone at an early age. It's technically a mental child abuse and detrimental to teach to a child that people are burning in hell simply because of not believing.

It's true that child abuse is connected to abusive parents. But you have to consider that abusive people tends not to notice that they are being abusive. They might think that they are doing their child a favor by enforcing their belief to them; they might think that what they're doing is good for their child but in reality nagiging pangit pala ang epekto nito sa bata.

Hitler too thinks that he's doing the world a favor by enforcing his beliefs and principles to the world and we didn't see any sign of him noticing that he was abusing his authority. Same goes with parents since parents are authoritarian figures as per religion.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: luna_spark on 01-03-18 12:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : haunted16 on 01-02-18 08:16 PM
Sorry bro,pero hindi ko maiwasan na hindi i-connect si Dawkins bilang aktibong personality na nangangampanya laban sa religion,child abuse are connected sa abusive parents,hindi ba dapat mga experts ang magsasabi kung tunay ba na naabuso ang mga bata o mapang-abuso ang mga magulang,
ano palagay mo bro jai?nabibilang ka dati sa theist ano ba sa palagay mo sasabihin nila?You know well na kapag pinaliwanag nila ang paniniwala sa Diyos kasama na doon ang religious affiliation nila,whats wrong with it?seriously,may Kristyano ba talaga na pinalaki ng mga mabubuting Kristyano na magulang ang naging masama o patapon ang buhay?


 
Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.

You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them,
but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.

You are the bows from which your children
as living arrows are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite,
and He bends you with His might
that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as He loves the arrow that flies,
so He loves also the bow that is stable.

-Kahlil Gibran


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: haunted16 on 01-03-18 07:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : Askman on 01-02-18 11:45 PM
I think it is consider child abuse not because of the intent of the parents but rather because of the mental capacity of the child to absord such thing and the way how it affects the child's well-being. Religion is a complicated matter and its concepts like heaven & hell shoudn't be taught to someone at an early age. It's technically a mental child abuse and detrimental to teach to a child that people are burning in hell simply because of not believing.

It's true that child abuse is connected to abusive parents. But you have to consider that abusive people tends not to notice that they are being abusive. They might think that they are doing their child a favor by enforcing their belief to them; they might think that what they're doing is good for their child but in reality nagiging pangit pala ang epekto nito sa bata.

Hitler too thinks that he's doing the world a favor by enforcing his beliefs and principles to the world and we didn't see any sign of him noticing that he was abusing his authority. Same goes with parents since parents are authoritarian figures as per religion.
Thats why I said abuse is such a strong word,like delusion.Experts like child psychologist ang nakakapagsabi kung abusive ba yan o hindi.Sa totoo lang sangayon ako kay jeclover why overthink too much.Ang mali kasi sa theist yang compulsion,pero in truth,ang gospel ay dapat i-preach,atheist na kagaya ni Dawkins is making the same mistakes na ginagawa ng mga sinaunang theist na gusto maging compulsory ang mga bagay na pinaniniwalaan nila.
@luna
Child rearing esp. in their age of being dependent is not bad,what is bad is kapag mga independent minded na ang mga bata ay pinipressure pa din sila ng mga magulang.Sa tingin ko yun ang mensahe ni Khalil Gibran.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 01-03-18 09:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : haunted16 on 01-03-18 07:09 AM
Thats why I said abuse is such a strong word,like delusion.Experts like child psychologist ang nakakapagsabi kung abusive ba yan o hindi.Sa totoo lang sangayon ako kay jeclover why overthink too much.Ang mali kasi sa theist yang compulsion,pero in truth,ang gospel ay dapat i-preach,atheist na kagaya ni Dawkins is making the same mistakes na ginagawa ng mga sinaunang theist na gusto maging compulsory ang mga bagay na pinaniniwalaan nila.
I admit na may mga non-believers or atheists din na kagaya mag-behave ng mga fundamentalists. Besides hindi immune sa pagiging biased and bigtory ang atheism.

As per abuse one can easily tell if it's abuse or wrong if it has negative effect on the well-being of the child. It's not rocket science.

Unless a parent who enforces his own beliefs to his child and leaving the child with no choice but to fully submit isn't abuse?



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jaiconruedas on 01-03-18 07:50 PM
@haunted
The child cannot yet descern wrong from right. He would believe in Saints, hell where to be punished eternally or be engaged to marriage at early age, because that's how he was brought up by his parents. He would also force to pray for unseen being. He was just a child. I was a theist but my parents are not religious but somehow forced me to attend church because it's a duty of being Catholic. I can't say no, because I was just a child.

......

What Japanese think of religions?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1688280871234704&id=505032566226213


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: haunted16 on 01-03-18 08:14 PM
@jai@askman
Then you became atheist and felt abused?right?
Pero sa akin I don't believe my parents had been abusive when they taught me to pray,our different interpretations of almost the same experienced doesn'nt mean that one of us are wrong,it is just that we have different perceptions,let us trust the parents on how they rear their child,since almost all parents love their children.Kung verbal abuse,physical abuse o sexual abuse yan madali lang natin mapagkakasunduan na mali yan pero yung pagtuturo tungkol sa Diyos o kawalan nito sa mga bata,mahirap husgahan kung mali yan o tama,sa akin lang dapat respetuhin ang karapatan ng parents kung paano nila palakihin ang kanilang mga anak.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: cherryblossoms on 01-03-18 08:47 PM
*Verbal abuse *
naalala ko lang yung The gifted na starring anne curtis nung bata pa sya at kausap ang madre :3

religion is the opium of the society.

sino nga ba nagsabi nyan :3

edit.

Hello Jeclover XD
hello haunted XD

nakalimutan ko mag hello nung una XD

labas na ulit ako may babantayan pako ng group XD


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 01-03-18 08:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : haunted16 on 01-03-18 08:14 PM
@jai@askman
Then you became atheist and felt abused? right?

I grew up to a catholic but non-religious family. Religion is never a big deal in our family and so is my disbelief. I became an atheist by my own and no one forces me to become one so I don't think it counts as abuse.

Quote:
Originally Posted by : haunted16 on 01-03-18 08:14 PM

Pero sa akin I don't believe my parents had been abusive when they taught me to pray,our different interpretations of almost the same experienced doesn'nt mean that one of us are wrong,it is just that we have different perceptions,let us trust the parents on how they rear their child,since almost all parents love their children.Kung verbal abuse,physical abuse o sexual abuse yan madali lang natin mapagkakasunduan na mali yan pero yung pagtuturo tungkol sa Diyos o kawalan nito sa mga bata,mahirap husgahan kung mali yan o tama,sa akin lang dapat respetuhin ang karapatan ng parents kung paano nila palakihin ang kanilang mga anak.
It's normal for a child na walang makitang mali sa ginagawa ng mga magulang n'ya since what tol jaic said, a child doesn't have the capacity to distinguish right & wrong. During that age ang umiiral dyan sa bata is biological instinct. Kinship. The only way for a child to survive is for him to stay with his parents and close kin regardless kung anong kagaguhan ginagawa nung magulang n'ya he won't mind 'cause he's a child.

Have you watched the movie Carrie kung saan yung nanay n'ya is very religious and a christian fundamentalist? Her parents is the exact depiction of an abusive parent who enforces her belief to her child and subject her child to subservience. And, yes the parent keeps telling her child that she love her and she's just doing it for her which leads us back to my original thesis that abusive people tends not to notice that they are being abusive.

As much as I want to trust all parents on how they raise their children. It's still must be based on their performance as a parent, not on how much they love their children.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jaiconruedas on 01-03-18 09:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : haunted16 on 01-03-18 08:14 PM
@jai@askman
Then you became atheist and felt abused?right?
Pero sa akin I don't believe my parents had been abusive when they taught me to pray,our different interpretations of almost the same experienced doesn'nt mean that one of us are wrong,it is just that we have different perceptions,let us trust the parents on how they rear their child,since almost all parents love their children.Kung verbal abuse,physical abuse o sexual abuse yan madali lang natin mapagkakasunduan na mali yan pero yung pagtuturo tungkol sa Diyos o kawalan nito sa mga bata,mahirap husgahan kung mali yan o tama,sa akin lang dapat respetuhin ang karapatan ng parents kung paano nila palakihin ang kanilang mga anak.
Parang Stockholm Syndrome. You won't feel the abuse, because you turned out fine and you feel being loved by your parents. The difference is, you have to believe whatever they believe, not rationally, but out faith. Faith feels you good, because you have been conditioned to do so. Unconciously you're following without hesistations and questions. Because you were a child. You could not question it. How could you if you were being swayed by it by yourself.

Hi sakura. :hi:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: cherryblossoms on 01-03-18 09:44 PM
Hi Jaicon XD

tagal natin di nag - usap ah :tawa:

teka may upload ako , speaking of stockholm and hitler :3 . . oops my mistake :tawanan:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: systematic on 01-03-18 11:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : jeclover18 on 01-02-18 09:05 PM
Naku, systematic, nasa sa iyo pa rin yan. Basta't wag pinapairal ang bitterness sa mundo at malalaman mo kung ano talaga ang nagreresonate sayo. :)

Hindi naman kailangan maging atheist para masagot yan eh. Kailangan mo lang maging bukas sa ibang bagay. Think outside of the box na rin. Ang beliefs kasi natin ay nakabase sa perception na meron ka. It depends talaga.

Lahat naman may basis eh. Lahat naman ok basta't walang inaagrabyadong kapwa. Respeto na lang talaga. :yes:
:agree: and di naman po ako bitter sa totoo lang nanay ko is palaging nagdarasal and di naman ako nabibitter sinasabihan kopa nga. and para kasi sakin kung totoong may Dios at akoy makasalanan ayaw kong idamay yung mga taong mahal ko. marami rin po akong kaibigang religious na muslim and catholic.  :haha: openminded din ako :naughty:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jeclover18 on 01-04-18 02:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : systematic on 01-03-18 11:37 PM
:agree: and di naman po ako bitter sa totoo lang nanay ko is palaging nagdarasal and di naman ako nabibitter sinasabihan kopa nga. and para kasi sakin kung totoong may Dios at akoy makasalanan ayaw kong idamay yung mga taong mahal ko. marami rin po akong kaibigang religious na muslim and catholic.  :haha: openminded din ako :naughty:
Ang kagandahan lang sa atheist ay may tinatawag na humanitarian attitude ang karamihan. Walang bias at preconceived beliefs pagdating sa pagkakapantay ng tao. Hindi sila nalilimitahan ng kung ano ang nakasulat sa mga aklat, yun bang kahit na hindi makatao is talagang kailangang sundin at gayahin. Tsaka more on science and proofs sila. May respect kumbaga. Kasi sa mga religions, nagbabangayan eh. Gaya nung mga debate ng INC tsaka El Shaddai ata yun. Karamihan nga ngayon ng mga religions is hinahanapan palagi ng mali ang ibang religion. Na kesyo sila ang maliligtas dahil sila ang totoo. Nawawalan tuloy ng respect sa kanya-kanyang paniniwala.


Naku, lahat naman tayo makasalanan eh. Wala naman talagang madadamay kundi ikaw lang. Buhay mo yan eh. Wahahaha


So, ano ba mga ginagawa mo para sa chosen path mo?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 01-04-18 03:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : systematic on 01-02-18 08:47 PM
paparoon na. :D sapagkat akoy nalilito pa. I'm 18 po.
I have a question for you sysematic and I hope you answer it with full honesty...

1. Do you belong to a highly religious family?
2. Are you dependent or independent?
3. Are you a closet-atheist?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 01-04-18 06:45 AM
Happy new year mga dibils  8)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: noklang on 01-04-18 09:39 AM
happy new year guys!

may mga nakasulat kasi sa bible na sa tingin natin d na talaga tama.
kung talagang nabasa nyo yung bible may mali talaga.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: systematic on 01-04-18 10:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : Askman on 01-04-18 03:11 AM
I have a question for you sysematic and I hope you answer it with full honesty...

1. Do you belong to a highly religious family?
2. Are you dependent or independent?
3. Are you a closet-atheist?
first is hindi po. second indipendent nagaaral pa ako nakatira ako sa magulang ko 18 year old. Lastly hindi rin po. kasi may mga tanong at hesitation tungkol sa Dios. gaya ng nasabi ko marami po akong kaibigang religous na nabulag sa pangaral ng Dios nya ni simple knowledge lang ay hindi nya alam ayaw kong ganun :). example. catholic po ako may kaibigan akong muslim nagtanong sakin nag naghahanda po daw kami tuwing xmas sabi ko oo(kasi ako lang po athiest sa family namin alam po ng nanay ko yun na hindi ako naniniwala) ok lang naman sakin. then nag tanong sya ulit bakit daw tuwing xmas bumabagyo sabi ko naman ehh dahil sa location ng bansa natin, ang sabi nya ayy hindi dahil daw sa galit ang Dios nila kasi ayaw sa xmas. yun lang. then sabi ko naman ahh ganun then tapos. kumbaga sa religion better safe than sorry pilit na pilit. para sakin ang kaalaman naman ay hindi kasalanan kung pagtitimbangin lahat.

@jeclover wala pa naman po. normal na buhay parin nagbago lang ng paniniwala.

ahahaha ayaw ko kasing mangdamay XD


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: noklang on 01-04-18 10:29 AM
nayswan systematic!!


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 01-04-18 11:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : systematic on 01-04-18 10:18 AM
first is hindi po. second indipendent nagaaral pa ako nakatira ako sa magulang ko 18 year old. Lastly hindi rin po. kasi may mga tanong at hesitation tungkol sa Dios. gaya ng nasabi ko marami po akong kaibigang religous na nabulag sa pangaral ng Dios nya ni simple knowledge lang ay hindi nya alam ayaw kong ganun :). example. catholic po ako may kaibigan akong muslim nagtanong sakin nag naghahanda po daw kami tuwing xmas sabi ko oo(kasi ako lang po athiest sa family namin alam po ng nanay ko yun na hindi ako naniniwala) ok lang naman sakin. then nag tanong sya ulit bakit daw tuwing xmas bumabagyo sabi ko naman ehh dahil sa location ng bansa natin, ang sabi nya ayy hindi dahil daw sa galit ang Dios nila kasi ayaw sa xmas. yun lang. then sabi ko naman ahh ganun then tapos. kumbaga sa religion better safe than sorry pilit na pilit. para sakin ang kaalaman naman ay hindi kasalanan kung pagtitimbangin lahat.
You're actually lucky that you were born to a family that is non-religious at tanggap kung ano ka. Because if you were hindi advisable sa mga 18-year-old na may pamilyang sobang religious na sabihin sa mga magulang nila na atheist sila. Either palayasin yan or itakwil yan, yan ang mga probable scenario na pwede mangyari. Rarely lang kasi yung sobrang religious parents na tinatanggap na atheist ang anak nila. Especially kapag palamunin ka pa ng magulang mo tapos sobrang religious nila, maigi gawin dyan mag-conform muna.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 01-04-18 02:38 PM
number of religious people are now in downward trend. i read somewhere. wag nyo ng itanong ang link saken kasi  hindi ko na din makita. but it was a legit news. in the philippines, there are lots of fb groups for atheism and atheists. 


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: haunted16 on 01-04-18 07:40 PM
@all
Dont want to debate about religion here,for I just don't agree with Dawkins,for me let parents do their duty in good faith.We must not complicateand judge the intentions of parents,hindi ako nagaasume na masama agad ang isang magulang kapag nakita ko na pinapalo nya ang anak,hanggat hindi ko nalalaman ang buong pangyayari,hindi dapat panghimasukan basta basta ng pamilya.
@thrown
Interesting.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 01-04-18 07:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : haunted16 on 01-04-18 07:40 PM
@all
Dont want to debate about religion here,for I just don't agree with Dawkins,for me let parents do their duty in good faith.We must not complicateand judge the intentions of parents,hindi ako nagaasume na masama agad ang isang magulang kapag nakita ko na pinapalo nya ang anak,hanggat hindi ko nalalaman ang buong pangyayari,hindi dapat panghimasukan basta basta ng pamilya.
@thrown
Interesting.

disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods<<====== that is the meaning of atheism and that is the main discussion there.



Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jeclover18 on 01-05-18 12:28 AM
Nabuhay si dodong? :o


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jaiconruedas on 01-05-18 01:05 AM
Recent topic is soaring. It's about Paul Logan's (I actually don't know this guy) recent stunt in his video showing dead body of Japanese who committed suicide in Aokigahara forest. Many have expressed their anger toward his act. He later apologized for his action and claimed to spread awareness in suicide. Like depression, suicide is a sensitive issue to deal in social media or media itself. I don't want to raise the topic about his actions, because he's just an asshole and almost everyone is cramming against him. Let the authority handle him.

What is your take on suicide?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: haunted16 on 01-05-18 05:06 AM
Sobrang sensitive issue ng suicide,maaring madami kang maoffend lalo na kung magmamagaling ka,sa aking palagay,more than why,they do it?mas gusto ko i-tackle kung paano mas mababawasan ito,sana idagdag sa hotline na pwedeng tawagan ay yung mga professional psychiatrist,kasi mostly sa mga taong may suicidal tendency ay nangangailangan ng tulong as in literal na humihingi sila ng saklolo kaso hindi nila ito masabi sa mga tao sa paligid nila,pero ang isang entity na pwede makausap na hindi sya kilala at madidinig ang mga frustrations nya,kahit papaano malaking relieve yun.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 01-05-18 05:47 AM
Quote:
Recent topic is soaring. It's about Paul Logan's (I actually don't know this guy) recent stunt in his video showing dead body of Japanese who committed suicide in Aokigahara forest. Many have expressed their anger toward his act. He later apologized for his action and claimed to spread awareness in suicide. Like depression, suicide is a sensitive issue to deal in social media or media itself. I don't want to raise the topic about his actions, because he's just an asshole and almost everyone is cramming against him. Let the authority handle him.

What is your take on suicide?
It's actually a good thing to see him issued a public apology. And his apology is not the type of apology that we see from other offenders who made a huge mistake but their apology ends up as non-apologetic by saying "I'm sorry if I you are offended".

On the other hand suicide and mental illness is indeed a sensitive issue but we don't address it in here seriously. May stigma sa mental illness dito sa Pilipinas. Remember what happened with Joey De Leon last year? We have a hotline for suicide but they are offline during 2am-3am e alam naman nating lahat na yan ang oras kung saan mag-isa ka lang at nag-iisip ng kung anu-ano.

My take on suicide is that it is still their choice if they want to end their life peacefully. It's true though that people who are depressed and suicidal are suffering. But if you want to get better it won't work if you start shutting people from entering in your life. It goes both ways. If someone is genuinely trying to help you, these people will only help you in the way they only know. It's not their fault if at first they didn't notice your problems, hindi naman manghuhula ang mga tao. But if they notice and they try to help, don't shut them down. Try to listen at least because they are trying to help you. I know it's not easy but baby steps.

But the best thing to do if you are deeply depressed and suicidal and wanna get better. Go seek professional help. Don't wait for your relatives or friends to notice your problems. They also have their own life and problems to deal with.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jaiconruedas on 01-05-18 08:52 AM
Nagviral nga yung comment ni Joey about depression. Pero sa huli ay humingi din naman siya ng apology. Dito sa Pinas minamaliit yung kaso na ganito. Lalo na ang suicide na para bang sa depression ang tingin ay nagpapansin lang o kulang sa pansin. Karamihan pa naman ay relihiyoso kaya may panghuhusga din sa mga taong nagtatangkang magpakamatay, na isa daw na malaking kasalanan. Salamat na rin sa internet at media, naipapalaganap din ang kamalayan natin sa issue na ito.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: systematic on 01-05-18 09:18 AM
nice :news:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 01-05-18 10:05 AM
Quote:
What is your take on suicide?
hmmm... actually wala masyado akong say dyan. for me, it's his life. he can do whatever he wants. basta walang naaagrabyadong tao.
in japan, suicide is already part of their "being japanese". kaya nga may kamikaze, harakiri and kaiten. way din nila yan kapag ayaw nilang madamay ang family nila sa kahihiyan.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 01-05-18 11:02 AM
The one downside I'm seeing in being depressed and suicidal is the way how they shut everyone from entering in their life and the way how they blame other people for failing to notice their problem. It's unfair and terrible din doon sa part ng ibang tao na sisihin mo sila for failing to notice your problem, hindi naman kasi malalaman yon ng ibang tao sa unang tingin lang since depression has many faces.

A depress person can also smile and show happiness as a smokescreen of their illness at ang totoong depress e hindi nila pinapakita sa iba na depressed sila. That's why it's so hard for other people to notice cues or gestures that will show na depress ang isang tao. Hindi kasalanan ng ibang tao if di nila napansin na depress ka at sisihin sila sa pagpapakamatay mo. What you have is a problem that needs to be addressed properly.

As for those people na alam na depressed yung kamag-anak or kakilala nila but still refuse to at least help them kahit na nanghingi na ng tulong yung tao. Screw you ka'yo dahilan kung bakit hindi rin nawawala ganitong klaseng problema at ka'yo dahilan on why depressed people just chose to end their lives.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jaiconruedas on 01-05-18 11:18 PM
Meron ganiyang ngang attitude akong napapansin sa ibang suicidal. They seek for attention yet they choose not to get help.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 01-06-18 09:18 AM
I'm taking back what I said regarding the public apology of Logan Paul. Just saw a video of him in Japan disrespecting their culture. Going to japanese shrines wearing kimonos and displaying blatant frivolity in front the japanese peope. Pinapaalis na siya ng mga guards for having no respect of the culture pero ayaw n'ya pa din umalis. But wait there's more, bumili siya ng nintendo gameboy sa isang store then binato sa sahig yung gameboy. Tsk.

Guess his apology won't be enough.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 01-06-18 10:55 AM
^hinanap ko din sa internet yang taong yan. and what more can we expect sa mga pa-famous na mga tao. jeezz... ang gusto lang naman ng mga yan is sumikat. welcome to social media era


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: noklang on 01-06-18 11:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 01-06-18 10:55 AM
^hinanap ko din sa internet yang taong yan. and what more can we expect sa mga pa-famous na mga tao. jeezz... ang gusto lang naman ng mga yan is sumikat. welcome to social media era

check mo sa youtube yung video. d ko pa napapanood. pero nabasa ko yung article. dami nagagalit na japanese


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 01-06-18 02:47 PM
^actually ung video nya about sa suicide forest tinanggal nya na yata.

i really dont understand why other people seems to like this kind of behavior. or am i too old for this? ganito na yata talaga trend ng mga millennials. gagawa ng kung anu-anong stunts sa youtube para lang mapansin.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: noklang on 01-06-18 04:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 01-06-18 02:47 PM
^actually ung video nya about sa suicide forest tinanggal nya na yata.

i really dont understand why other people seems to like this kind of behavior. or am i too old for this? ganito na yata talaga trend ng mga millennials. gagawa ng kung anu-anong stunts sa youtube para lang mapansin.

indeed.

pero 22 years old? millenial pa dn ba? hahahaha
well  para sa akin d pa matured yung mga ganyang tao


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jaiconruedas on 01-06-18 08:45 PM
Kaya as much as possible I don't want to talk about the guy and his being asshole. I really really want to know how suicide perceive by ordinary people. In Japan, it's part of their culture but they are not proud of it. They accept it and not considering it as taboo. I've read that their government has been trying combating this and sucessfully managing.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: systematic on 01-06-18 08:55 PM
now i know, one of their culture pala nila ang suicide.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 01-07-18 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : noklang on 01-06-18 04:17 PM
indeed.

pero 22 years old? millenial pa dn ba? J7hahahaha
well  para sa akin d pa matured yung mga ganyang tao
Yup, millenial yan. Maski ako millenial ako 1990 ako. I think matured na yan si Logan Paul kaso para sa kita at views, hindi yan sumagi sa isip n'ya.

Well banned na siya sa japan though. Pati ata sa YouTube banned na din siya. Di na siya makakagawa ng kahit na anong videos. Goodbye carrier na.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 01-16-18 05:29 PM
For me, before pa naging issue yung s suicide forest, may mga naging videos pa sya sa Japan na talagang disrespectful. I am working in a Japanese automotive company and i can tell kung gaano ka disiplinado ang mga Japanese. Yung ginawa nyang videos prior sa incident i think was totally disgusting. kaya nga dun sa blog ng Japanese na si Yuta, inisa-isa nya yung point sa kung papano naging disrespectful si Logan Paul. And tama lahat yung mga sinabi nya. Grabe sobrang papansin tong taong to.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 01-17-18 12:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 01-16-18 05:29 PM
For me, before pa naging issue yung s suicide forest, may mga naging videos pa sya sa Japan na talagang disrespectful. I am working in a Japanese automotive company and i can tell kung gaano ka disiplinado ang mga Japanese. Yung ginawa nyang videos prior sa incident i think was totally disgusting. kaya nga dun sa blog ng Japanese na si Yuta, inisa-isa nya yung point sa kung papano naging disrespectful si Logan Paul. And tama lahat yung mga sinabi nya. Grabe sobrang papansin tong taong to.

Buti nga sana kung yun lang e. Bukod sa video n'ya sa suicide forest meron 'pang ibang video siya na ginawa sa Japan na hindi talaga karespe-respeto. Bagay lang sa kanya nangyari sa kanya. Deserve n'ya ma-banned sa Japan. Kung doon nga yan nag-stay kulong daw yan kasi sabi nung authority doon e labag daw sa batas ginawa n'ya sa suicide forest.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 01-24-18 05:40 AM
Nakita ko na yung video niya na may footage nung taong nagsuicide. Ginawa nilang material para sa mga jokes nila eh, gago talaga.

@off-topic: Naks! kompleto pala yung team 7 haha, cherry, jaicon, thrown. Isama pa si dodong idol /joke

EDIT: Ngayong ko lang nalaman to ah, white holes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 01-26-18 06:51 AM
good morning heathens

may sinalihan ba kayong fb group for atheists?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 01-27-18 03:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 01-26-18 06:51 AM
good morning heathens

may sinalihan ba kayong fb group for atheists?

Filipino Freethikiners, Rational Filipino, Philippine Atheist & Agnostic Society and Atheist Republic.

Mas active ako sa FF ngayon but I don't engage anymore in any religous debate unless asked.

Rational Filipino masyadong madaming kanser (I remember nag-leave na ata ako. Di ko maalala).

PATAS and Atheist Republic naman di na ko active doon.

Mas active ako sa twitter ngayon though. Di ko na trip sa FB can't take the toxicity anymore.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: systematic on 01-27-18 09:57 AM
:news: .......

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Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 01-29-18 08:22 AM
Quote:
Filipino Freethikiners, Rational Filipino, Philippine Atheist & Agnostic Society and Atheist Republic.

Mas active ako sa FF ngayon but I don't engage anymore in any religous debate unless asked.

Rational Filipino masyadong madaming kanser (I remember nag-leave na ata ako. Di ko maalala).

PATAS and Atheist Republic naman di na ko active doon.

Mas active ako sa twitter ngayon though. Di ko na trip sa FB can't take the toxicity anymore.
i left ff. wala na yatang religious debate dun puro na political.
baliktad naman tayo. ayoko na ng twitter.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 01-29-18 10:11 AM
puro mga "militant", backward, elitist yung mga napupuntahan kong atheists pages or groups. :lol:

pero hindi na yan surprising basta facebook equals cancer na yan.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: systematic on 01-29-18 10:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : Jakerockz13 on 01-29-18 10:11 AM
puro mga "militant", backward, elitist yung mga napupuntahan kong atheists pages or groups. :lol:

pero hindi na yan surprising basta facebook equals cancer na yan.
:rofl:


Super Moderator Comment Please refrain from posting nonsense message.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 01-29-18 10:16 PM
Ako walang masalihan, kasi wala akong social media account haha XD

Quote:
i left ff. wala na yatang religious debate dun puro na political.
baliktad naman tayo. ayoko na ng twitter.
Parang yung r/Philippines, puro political meme, karamihan toxic eh, mas radioactive pa sa Chernobyl.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jaiconruedas on 01-30-18 07:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 01-26-18 06:51 AM
good morning heathens

may sinalihan ba kayong fb group for atheists?
Matagal na ako Filipino Freethinker, PATAS, dating active Agora, moderator ako now sa Rational Filipino, dami nga kanser. Nag leave na ako sa ARMMC.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 01-31-18 06:42 AM
Quote:
Matagal na ako Filipino Freethinker, PATAS, dating active Agora, moderator ako now sa Rational Filipino, dami nga kanser. Nag leave na ako sa ARMMC.
Dumami na rin trolls sa Rational Filipino. Minsan inaasar na nga yung group e. Irrational Filipino na daw dapat ang name.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 02-02-18 07:38 AM
lagi namang may magtotroll. yung iba talagang pinag aaksayahan pa ng panahon ang magtroll.




Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: systematic on 02-02-18 07:54 AM
parang si ano lang :hihihi:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Askman on 02-15-18 12:28 AM
Anu na mga kyah?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: jaiconruedas on 02-23-18 06:52 PM
Let's talk about fanatcism of Filipino in Politics.
What can you say about the Filipino's strong veneration to politician? Yung tipong na convict na lahat ay ire-reelect pa rin. 🤣🤣


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 02-24-18 12:41 AM
Parang maihahalintulad sa blind faith yan sir. Yung tipong kitang kita na na hindi gumagawa ng matino yung politiko eh ayaw pa rin maniwala sa katotohanan. Parang mga flat earthers at vaxxers...

EDIT: anti-vaxxers pala lol, sorry.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 02-28-18 06:50 AM
Quote:
Let's talk about fanatcism of Filipino in Politics.
What can you say about the Filipino's strong veneration to politician? Yung tipong na convict na lahat ay ire-reelect pa rin.

meron kasi tayong ugali na "utang na loob". usually applicable yan dun.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: macjunard on 03-17-18 12:23 PM
Stephen William Hawking (8 January 1942 – 14 March 2018) aged 76


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: systematic on 03-18-18 01:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : macjunard on 03-17-18 12:23 PM
Stephen William Hawking (8 January 1942 – 14 March 2018) aged 76
R.I.P


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 04-15-18 07:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : Askman on 01-27-18 03:18 AM
Filipino Freethikiners, Rational Filipino, Philippine Atheist & Agnostic Society and Atheist Republic.

Mas active ako sa FF ngayon but I don't engage anymore in any religous debate unless asked.

Rational Filipino masyadong madaming kanser (I remember nag-leave na ata ako. Di ko maalala).

PATAS and Atheist Republic naman di na ko active doon.

Mas active ako sa twitter ngayon though. Di ko na trip sa FB can't take the toxicity anymore.


atheists are actually anti-religion yet they don't engaged in religious arguments === its like a soldiers who don't want to engage firefights with his own enemies.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: ukok102nak on 05-04-18 11:38 PM
:smoke: atheists are good people
becaused they cannot stand the word god for they are all afraid of god
and
that's a good sign to the lord god who is good and cannot lie and doesn't lie
indeed . ...

wala pa akong nakitang atheist na may galit sa dios
kasi bakit naman daw sila magagalit sa hindi naman daw nag e exist ... .

dinig dinig ko talaga
sabi nga ng nahihintakotan na mga dilag at mga kalalakihan na mga atheists
wag na nating pagusapan nakakatakot eh


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: macjunard on 05-04-18 11:41 PM
the same as dodong :hunter:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: ukok102nak on 05-05-18 12:05 AM
:smoke: maniwala ka
lahat ng atheists takot matalo kapag dios ang pinaguusapan . ...
sabi nga nila nakakatakot talaga
ang mag determine ng isang non existing ... .


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 05-05-18 01:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : ukok102nak on 05-05-18 12:05 AM
:smoke: maniwala ka
lahat ng atheists takot matalo kapag dios ang pinaguusapan . ...
sabi nga nila nakakatakot talaga
ang mag determine ng isang non existing ... .

fake ba ang isang atheist dito na takot makipag-usapan ukol sa Diyos?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: ukok102nak on 05-05-18 07:35 AM
:smoke: este brethren ang hirap e fake ang totoo kasi pareho lang naman nag exist ang fake at totoo
at kun natakot na talakayin ng mga atheists ang ukol sa dios ay nakakatakot naman talaga
dahil wala pang nakapagdetermine sa isang non existing
meaning kapag may reasons eh nag exist na ang pinag uusapan once may nakapagsabi ng logical details ayon dito
na maari din naman unexplainable sa mga iba ngunit nag exist parin
dahil umiral ang salita na yaon sa puso at isip pati narin sa kaluluwa
pero di eto nangangahulugan na ang isang pinag uusapan ay hindi umiiral kun walang makapagsasabi ng mga ideas
na relative between existing and non existing


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 05-07-18 06:02 AM
ui may dodong 2.0 na sumulpot. :rofl:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: ukok102nak on 05-07-18 10:14 PM
:whistle: mayroon pa ba dito na marunong mag alibi

sa mga nakakalimot na ay huwag mahihiyang magtanong
bago dumating ang election dapat alam na ng lahat
huwag iboto yun mga politiko na puros alibi 8)

:smoke: ang mga pinatutunog na composition ng mga promotor este ng mga composer pala
wala sa tono pareho ng mga instruments na ginamit nila
muka kasing same as mutation ang appearances sa intro palang at wala pating evolution of reasonable ideas nag exist sa chorus

dami ko tuloy tawa sa tanghalan ng mga baog ang pananampalataya sa non existing :rofl:
 


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: tisoy_of_manila on 05-08-18 07:38 AM
posible naman talaga na nag exist ang mga gods!  pero sila yung mga matatalino na e.t na nag impluwensya kay moses


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 05-08-18 10:45 AM
siguro halamang ganja yung tinutukoy  na nasusunog na halaman tapos nalanghap nya(moses) at pag-katapos naging high sya at nag-trip balls. :laugh:


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: ukok102nak on 05-08-18 02:33 PM
:smoke: sigurado existing na ang mga walang dios noon pa simula ng pinarusahan ang mga pinagmulan ng kanilang unang lahi
at tinawag nga sila na mga gentil para maalaman ng lahat
na kun magbabago sila ay Hindi na sila mamagiging tulad ng non existing arguments
dahil sabi nga nila alibi is not a reasonable idea and
who could thought of that unexpectedly
:read:
 1 Pedro 4: 1. Kung paano ngang si Cristo ay nagbata sa laman, ay magsandata rin naman kayo ng gayong pagiisip; sapagka't siya na nagbata sa laman ay nagpapatigil sa kasalanan; 
2. Upang huwag na kayong mangabuhay sa laman sa inyong nalalabing panahon sa mga masamang pita ng mga tao, kundi sa kalooban ng Dios. 
3. Sapagka't sukat na ang nakaraang panahon upang gawin ang hangad ng mga Gentil, at lumakad sa kalibugan, sa mga masamang pita, sa mga paglalasing, sa mga kalayawan, sa mga kayamuan, at sa kasuklamsuklam na pagsamba sa mga diosdiosan

. ... sabi nga ng isang Hindi naniniwala sa dios ng basahin nya ang sulat na to
:read:
The End of the World

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man in kingdom. ” — Matthew 16:28

“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. ” — Luke 21:32-33

“And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.” — Romans 13:11-12

“Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” — James 5:8

“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” — 1 John 2:18

“But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.” — 1 Peter 4:7

These words were written between 1800 and 1900 years ago and were meant to warn and prepare the first Christians for the immediate end of the world. Some words are those supposedly straight out of the mouth of the “Son of God.” The world did not end 1800 or 1900 years ago. All that generation passed away without any of the things foretold coming to pass. No amount of prayer brought it about; nor ever so much patience and belief and sober living. The world went on, as usual, indifferent to the spoutings of yet another batch of doomsday prophets with visions of messiahs dancing in their deluded brains. The world, by surviving, makes the above passages contradictions.

Conclusion

What is incredible about the Bible is not its divine authorship; it’s that such a concoction of contradictory nonsense could be believed by anyone to have been written by an omniscient god. To do so, one would first have to not read the book, which is the practice of most Christians; or, if one does read it, dump in the trash can one’s rational intelligence — to become a fool for god, in other words.

To be an atheist, one need only be able to laugh when such obvious nonsense is offered as being “divine” truth.

eto naman ang wika ng isang tao na ipinaglihi sa atis na prutas :rofl:
:read:
Santiago 2: 12. Gayon ang inyong salitain, at gayon ang inyong gawin, na gaya ng mga taong huhukuman sa pamamagitan ng kautusan ng kalayaan. 
13. Sapagka't ang paghuhukom ay walang awa doon sa hindi nagpakita ng awa: ang awa ay lumuluwalhati laban sa paghuhukom. 

in English version
:read:
James 2: 12. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

ang sabi naman ng mga tarantado kailan ka pa maniniwala sa dios kun Patay ka na
Similarly, imagining a world without God in it doesn't show that God's necessary existence is impossible
oK lang sana kun di naniniwala sa dios kun wala kang kapanaglihian ... .


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: salute on 05-16-18 07:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : ukok102nak on 05-04-18 11:38 PM
:smoke: atheists are good people
becaused they cannot stand the word god for they are all afraid of god
and
that's a good sign to the lord god who is good and cannot lie and doesn't lie
indeed . ...

wala pa akong nakitang atheist na may galit sa dios
kasi bakit naman daw sila magagalit sa hindi naman daw nag e exist ... .
sana nga totoo ang mga sinasabi nila. Kung titignan mo sa ganitong kaso, pwedy ang galit nila sa Diyos ay ang hidi pag amin sa pag exist ng Diyos. Minsan nakikita naten ito sa kanilang mga kilos. Share ko lang true may experience :p


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Totoy25 on 06-07-18 12:38 AM
Ask ko lang po sa tingin nyo kung ano yung pinaka strong argument for God's Existence ?(Teleological, etc) Thank you :)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 06-09-18 08:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : Totoy25 on 06-07-18 12:38 AM
Ask ko lang po sa tingin nyo kung ano yung pinaka strong argument for God's Existence ?(Teleological, etc) Thank you :)

things around you are the proof of existence of God.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: Jakerockz13 on 06-10-18 10:00 PM
God of the gaps pa more dong. :)


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: dodong143 on 06-11-18 08:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : Jakerockz13 on 06-10-18 10:00 PM
God of the gaps pa more dong. :)

anyone told that science create everything?

what scientific instruments that create universe?

are scientific instruments exist before universe is created?




Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: chobibo on 07-02-18 07:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : dodong143 on 06-11-18 08:00 AM
anyone told that science create everything?

what scientific instruments that create universe?

are scientific instruments exist before universe is created?

1. Nobody.

2. Science does not claim creation.

3. I don't know.

Muh Questions:

1. Does cancer prove of the god's existencing?

2. What are the proofings that god(s) really creation of the universe aside from "his claim"?

3 Does god(s) existing outsiders of the universal he creationing?


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: thrown on 07-12-18 02:42 PM
it's been a long time since i joined this forum. until now, your strongest proof of God's existence is still the bible. ayoko na sa earth.


Title: Re: Atheists and Agnostics (non-believers) Thread
Post by: cute_huckfin on 07-12-18 07:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by : thrown on 07-12-18 02:42 PM
it's been a long time since i joined this forum. until now, your strongest proof of God's existence is still the bible. ayoko na sa earth.

Ahahaha same here, but you cannot denied the fact the evidencies discovered applied in the bible.

That is the proof that the bible is authentic, even God existence.